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Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« on: March 20, 2011, 10:34:49 PM »
   Alright im moving to billings this year for college and have doing a bit of research regarding deer and elk hunting with in a few hours of billings. I created a spread sheet with each unit close to there, # of bulls taken, # of cows taken, # of hunters and success rate as well as one for deer with # of bucks taken, # of hunters, % of mule deer taken and success rate. Ive looked to see what units had good access to public land as well, but im new to the BLM land so I havnt really factored that in because im a bit confused about it and dont have a map that shows what land is BLM.

   For elk im not too picky just want to be into elk and just about any bull will do so I narrowed it down to units 560, 445 and 312. I will mostly be archery hunting as well. Are these areas productive during archery and is there plenty of land to get off the roads and away from hunters? Any other units you guys can suggest for archery elk thats close?

   For deer ill be rifle hunting and would like to have a good chance at a decent mulie. There seems to be a high success rate for deer throughout the state but im mostly looking for mule deer. Since I dont have a map that shows BLM land ive been lookin at unit 704 since it has a good amount of National forest and a good success rate. Are there areas closer to billings that im over looking?

   I tried my best to do some research before asking. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated and feel free to PM.

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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2011, 10:57:24 PM »
445 is mostly private land.

704 is pretty good for deer, but expect company. 

You should be able to find an elk in the Crazies.

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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2011, 11:53:46 PM »
deerslyr be sure you live 6 months in Montana before buying a resident license. The states are all very touchy about that, and don't buy a resident license in Washington for 2011 if you plan to buy a resident license in Montana for 2011.

Most areas the best hunting is on private land. Knock on some doors over there, I bet a landowner will let you hunt if you tell them you are a college student and the extra meat would help out. If you can't get access, check with the regional office for block management areas. Get back into the remote corner of the block management lands and there is some good hunting. I have found good hunting in every unit I have hunted in Montana in the past. Keep in mind the northeast and southeast corners are having a very tough winter.
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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2011, 12:52:16 AM »
as a full time student ill be considered a resident.  thanks for the tips so far

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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2011, 10:30:24 AM »
as a full time student ill be considered a resident.  thanks for the tips so far

That's a great deal, good luck over there.
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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2011, 11:47:59 AM »
as a full time student ill be considered a resident.  thanks for the tips so far


That's a great deal, good luck over there.

Full time students can't get residency without living in the state for 12 months (6 depending on who you ask) prior to enrolling full time. 

Although the nonresident college student licenses are a sweet deal.  $70 for a big game combo license which includes, deer, elk, fishing, and upland game.


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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2011, 11:53:13 AM »
 87-2-102. Resident defined. In determining whether a person is a resident for the purpose of issuing resident hunting, fishing, and trapping licenses, the following provisions apply:
     (1) (a) A member of the regular armed forces of the United States, a member's dependent, as defined in 15-30-2115, who resides in the member's Montana household, or a member of the armed forces of a foreign government attached to the regular armed forces of the United States is considered a resident for the purposes of this chapter if:
     (i) the member was a resident of Montana under the provisions of subsection (4) at the time the member entered the armed forces and continues to meet the residency criteria of subsections (4)(b) through (4)(e); or
     (ii) the member is currently stationed in and assigned to active duty in Montana, has resided in Montana for at least 30 days, and presents official assignment orders and proof of completion of a hunter safety course approved by the department, as provided in 87-2-105, or a certificate verifying the successful completion of a hunter safety course in any state or province. The 30-day residence requirement is waived in time of war. Reassignment to another state, United States territory, or country terminates Montana residency for purposes of this section, except that a reassigned member continues to qualify as a resident if the member's spouse and dependents continue to physically reside in Montana and the member continues to meet the residency criteria of subsections (4)(b) through (4)(e). The designation of Montana by a member of the regular armed forces as a "home of record" or "home of residence" in that member's armed forces records does not determine the member's residency for purposes of this section.
     (b) A member of the regular armed forces of the United States who is otherwise considered a Montana resident pursuant to subsection (1)(a)(i) does not forfeit that status as a resident because the member, by virtue of that membership, also possesses, has applied for, or has received resident hunting, fishing, or trapping privileges in another state or country.
     (2) A person who has physically resided in Montana as the person's principal or primary home or place of abode for 180 consecutive days and who meets the criteria of subsection (4) immediately before making application for any license is eligible to receive resident hunting, fishing, and trapping licenses. As used in this section, a vacant lot or a premises used solely for business purposes is not considered a principal or primary home or place of abode.
     (3) A person who obtains residency under subsection (2) may continue to be a resident for purposes of this section by physically residing in Montana as the person's principal or primary home or place of abode for not less than 120 days a year and by meeting the criteria of subsection (4) prior to making application for any resident hunting, fishing, or trapping license.
     (4) In addition to the requirements of subsection (2) or (3), a person shall meet the following criteria to be considered a resident for purposes of this section:
     (a) the person's principal or primary home or place of abode is in Montana;
     (b) the person files Montana state income tax returns as a resident if required to file;
     (c) the person licenses and titles in Montana as required by law any vehicles that the person owns and operates in Montana;
     (d) except as provided in subsection (1)(b), the person does not possess or apply for any resident hunting, fishing, or trapping licenses from another state or country or exercise resident hunting, fishing, or trapping privileges in another state or country; and
     (e) if the person registers to vote, the person registers only in Montana.
     (5) A student who is enrolled full-time in a postsecondary educational institution out of state and who would qualify for Montana resident tuition or who otherwise meets the residence requirements of subsection (2) or (3) is considered a resident for purposes of this section.
     (6) An enrollee of a job corps camp located within the state of Montana is, after a period of 30 days within Montana, considered a resident for the purpose of making application for a fishing license as long as the person remains an enrollee in a Montana camp.
     (7) A person who does not reside in Montana but who meets all of the following requirements is a resident for purposes of obtaining hunting and fishing licenses:
     (a) The person's principal employment is within this state and the income from this employment is the principal source of the applicant's family income.
     (b) The person is required to pay and has paid Montana income tax in a timely manner and proper amount.
     (c) The person has been employed within this state on a full-time basis for at least 12 consecutive months immediately preceding each application.
     (d) The person's state of residency has laws substantially similar to this subsection (7).
     (8) An unmarried minor is considered a resident for the purposes of this section if the minor's parents, legal guardian, or parent with joint custody, sole custody, or visitation rights is a resident for purposes of this section. The minor is considered a resident for purposes of this section regardless of whether the minor resides primarily in the state or otherwise qualifies as a resident. The resident parent or guardian of the minor may be required to show proof of the parental, guardianship, or custodial relationship to the minor.
     (9) A person is not considered a resident for the purposes of this section if the person:
     (a) claims residence in any other state or country for any purpose; or
     (b) is an absentee property owner paying property tax on property in Montana.
     (10) A license agent is not considered a representative of the state for the purpose of determining a license applicant's residence status.


I think I'd call FWP and verify before you buy resident licenses
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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2011, 12:08:13 PM »
Qualifying students may purchase the $70 big game combination license at any Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks regional office or the Helena headquarters office.

The big game combination license includes conservation, fishing, upland game bird, deer and elk licenses.

Students eligible for the discount include:

nonresident full-time students taking 12 credits or more at postsecondary institutions in Montana,
nonresident students who are former Montana high school graduates now enrolled full-time at out-of-state postsecondary institutions and who have a parent that is a Montana resident.
The nonresident student must present a valid student identification card and an enrollment verification form from their school showing they are full-time students.

Former residents who are now full-time students at out-of-state colleges must present a valid student identification card, current enrollment verification form, a parent's Montana FWP ALS number and a copy of their Montana high school diploma or General Education Development degree.

No need to call FWP this came off of there website  :)


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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2011, 12:16:37 PM »
Looks like you got it made and you don't even have to select a weapon choice in MT.
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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2011, 12:22:36 PM »
Good luck to you in Billings deerslyr. 

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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2011, 12:28:05 PM »
Thanks for the good wishes guys I cant wait to get over there. Sounds like I need to get a BLM map and look for pieces of land around the billings area for deer? Im not really sure what to do about elk because I dont know where the wolves have spread to now (09 statistics) and I dont know if the units im looking at are good druing archery because the statistics dont break it down by user groups.

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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2011, 12:43:46 PM »
Gotcha, I thought you were talking about qualifying as a resident, but it looks like you get resident prices anyway.  Great deal.

Go do some hiking when you get there, I think you'll find plenty of places to hunt.
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Re: Alright gotta ask...montana questions
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2011, 05:34:00 PM »
Yah I should have clarified my bad. I guess im just gunna have to wear out a pair of boots this summer and hope for the best.

 


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