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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2011, 09:56:18 AM »
I hang my deer for a day or two.
Growing I was taught by my uncles to only hang deer for no more than 1-2 days. I asked them why they don't hang their
Deer for longer periods of time like my friends dads? they told me that Deer get gamier the longer the meat is on the bones.

Elk I hang for 3-7 days depending on outside temps.

There is no biological process that supports this claim.  Being on the bone does not contribute to gaminess nor does the length of time hung.  "Off taste" in game meat typically comes from poor trimming of connective tissue/fat, or overcooking the mat.

Hanging meat or "aging" it does not change the flavor of meat.  It simply allows enzymatic breakdown of fibers that makes the meat more tender.  I've hunge meat for as little as 12 hours and as much as 10 days.  A young animal won't benefit a whole lot from increased hanging time, but an old one sure can.

Dr. Ray Field did a lot of research on this at the University of Wyoming.  Life begins at 40, and extended aging should take place at 40 degrees or less.  You can "quick age" meat for up to three days at 60 degrees.
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so take it for whats it is and keep reading your books.

Thank you, I will keep reading my books.  The beef industry has way more research money thatn I do and I have no problem taking advantage of it.  The physiological processes that take place in muscle cells don't deviate based on whether it's a deer, elk, or beef cow.
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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2011, 09:57:30 AM »
2-3 days for me is max.  I skin everything as quickly as possible.. not only does it help cool the animal out, it peels off a hell of a lot easier when it's warm vs. hanging in a tree for 5 days in 20 degree temps.  

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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2011, 10:21:13 AM »
 I skin everything as quickly as possible.. not only does it help cool the animal out, it peels off a hell of a lot easier when it's warm vs. hanging in a tree for 5 days in 20 degree temps.  
:yeah:

I perfer to let mine hang 3-5 days though.

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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2011, 10:27:51 AM »
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Thank you, I will keep reading my books.  The beef industry has way more research money thatn I do and I have no problem taking advantage of it.  The physiological processes that take place in muscle cells don't deviate based on whether it's a deer, elk, or beef cow.
Unfortunately, I am probably wrong, but I dissagree with that statement,
Wild game does not have the marbling that beef does, and the fat has a very different flavor, leave the fat on your next game animal and see how well it tastes.  :puke:
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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2011, 10:35:33 AM »
I agree with you.  I too also remove every bit of fat from every wild game animal.  I love pork and beef fat, but definately not wild game.

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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2011, 10:37:49 AM »
 I skin everything as quickly as possible.. not only does it help cool the animal out, it peels off a hell of a lot easier when it's warm vs. hanging in a tree for 5 days in 20 degree temps.  
:yeah:

I perfer to let mine hang 3-5 days though.

Agreed..  I should have clarified.  If it's above freezing 2-3 days.  If it's below, I've let them hang for 4 or 5 days for sure or whenever I can get them in to the butcher.  I'm talking about Montana..  I cut my own game up in this state normally.  Haven't found a butcher that I like and the price is way higher here.  My guy in Montana is $60 out the door for boned, cut, wrapped, suet added to burger and he throws it in his freezer over night so it keeps good for the drive home.  Not worth my time for $60 when I'm on vacation and can be fishing or napping!!!  :chuckle:

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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2011, 10:38:48 AM »
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Thank you, I will keep reading my books.  The beef industry has way more research money thatn I do and I have no problem taking advantage of it.  The physiological processes that take place in muscle cells don't deviate based on whether it's a deer, elk, or beef cow.
Unfortunately, I am probably wrong, but I dissagree with that statement,
Wild game does not have the marbling that beef does, and the fat has a very different flavor, leave the fat on your next game animal and see how well it tastes.  :puke:
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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2011, 10:41:47 AM »
Thank you, I will keep reading my books.  The beef industry has way more research money thatn I do and I have no problem taking advantage of it.  The physiological processes that take place in muscle cells don't deviate based on whether it's a deer, elk, or beef cow.

Yes, there is a difference between aging Beef, Elk, Moose, Sheep, Pigs, Deer, etc. 


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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2011, 10:42:32 AM »
 I skin everything as quickly as possible.. not only does it help cool the animal out, it peels off a hell of a lot easier when it's warm vs. hanging in a tree for 5 days in 20 degree temps.  
:yeah:

I perfer to let mine hang 3-5 days though.

Agreed..  I should have clarified.  If it's above freezing 2-3 days.  If it's below, I've let them hang for 4 or 5 days for sure or whenever I can get them in to the butcher.  I'm talking about Montana..  I cut my own game up in this state normally.  Haven't found a butcher that I like and the price is way higher here.  My guy in Montana is $60 out the door for boned, cut, wrapped, suet added to burger and he throws it in his freezer over night so it keeps good for the drive home.  Not worth my time for $60 when I'm on vacation and can be fishing or napping!!!  :chuckle:

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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2011, 10:46:40 AM »
Obviously I didn't make myself clear.  I don't leave fat on my game, I trim it all off.  Reference my first post about poor trimming being a primary cause of poor tasting meat.

As far as cellular breakdown, there isn't a difference.  There are other factors that come into play, like degree of marbling, but aging doesn't affect marbling and vice versa.  All aging does is allow enzymatic breakdown to occur, which reduces the toughness (or promotes tenderness) of the meat.  As we know, wild game has no marbling in it, which makes the cooking process so critical to prevent dryness.
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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2011, 11:01:29 AM »
I had to steel this from a web-site.
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AGING - Aging of meat is done for two reasons: First and foremost, it is a tenderization process. Second, it produces flavors that are different from those of fresh meat.

What occurs during aging to make meat more tender? What develops the flavors? - Actually, in a manner of speaking the meat is kind of "digesting itself". You see even though the animal is dead, the cells in the muscle are still alive. They produce enzymes that break down protein as part of a normal body function of "tear down and rebuild". However, when muscle no longer has a blood supply, only the "tear down" part takes place. Enzymes called "cathepsins" break down part of the structural portion of muscle and make it more tender.

The unique flavors of aged meat come from lipid oxidation and protein lysis. What the hell is that? Well, lipid oxidation is actually the fat turning slightly rancid. Yup, rancid. Protein lysis simply means that the molecules are breaking into pieces and the pieces have different flavors than the whole protein....probably more than you wanted to know. This is a little important when we get to the topic of freezing tho'.

Muscle tissue contains connective tissues. The connective tissue proteins called "collagen" and "elastin" are what actually hold muscles, bones and other organs together in the body. As an animal ages, the molecules of connective tissue protein begin to "cross link". One strand of protein will bind to others nearby. As far as we can tell, this process continues pretty much throughout an animal's life, at least in ruminants. The older the animal, the more cross linking and the more toughness.

Kind of an interesting side note: Cross linking and the development of toughness does not occur at nearly the same levels in swine species. Because pork has more collagen and less elastin, meat from old pigs is only slightly tougher than the meat from young ones.

Here's the point where it may not be appropriate to age wild game - if you do shoot a yearling animal, whether is taken as a cull or shot for camp food, you may want to consider skipping the aging. One upside of not aging the meat is the flavor notes are a bit cleaner. It's your choice either way. (When I get around to typing out notes on meat prep, I'll give you a real simple 4-hour tenderization/hydration method that works every time. This is what I use instead of aging for yearling venison.)

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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2011, 11:15:08 AM »
My last deer, we spent about an hour trimming all the fat off. He had A LOT.
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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2011, 11:17:55 PM »
Everyone's got there own ideas!  Kinda figured this would get alot of responses!!  Older the better in my opinion!!  Amazing you can hang a 7 year old buck and get it just as tender as a 2 yr old doe!!!
Aging has no effect on gaminess of the meat in my experience either...
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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2011, 07:01:52 AM »
if its hot cut it up quick, cooler weather we have let them hang long enough to get a hint of mold then wipe it down with light vinegar and cut it up, havent done that with a young deer i guess there is no sense in that but it worked good on the old bucks
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Re: How long do you let them hang?
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2011, 01:52:34 PM »
no difference??  :chuckle: call a butcher....  your finest steaks are almost a month aged! all about breakdown in the meat...they are on the edge of rotten when u eat at the very high end steak houses.

 


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