Are you an archer or rifle hunter? They both have their problems...I live right on the edge of the unit and it takes me 15 minutes until I'm where I can legally shoot an elk but I only hunt it after work or if I only have a few hours in the morning. Too many guys, true spike rule, and those that don't need to play by the same rules blazing away with rifles in archery season. Lots of elk but too easy to hunt with too many open roads. Notice I said "too easy to hunt" not "too easy to kill."