Suppressor Bill Update

[BlackRidge]

The best arguement for would likely be:

We can already own them here.
We can already attach them to our firearms.
Now we'd be able to use them.

The current way it works is stupid. This bill remedies that... 

Regarding the ciminal element that may come in to benefit from this Bill.... why would there be any change?  If someones going to get a suppressor and use it illegally or for illegal purposes, they probably will (grab a 2 liter bottle..). BUT We're talking about one of the most highly regulated peices of equipment in the firearms realm.  It will still be just as hard to get, you'l have to go through just as many checks/scrutiny/etc, the process hasn't changed..

All thats happening is that those who have legally obtained suppressors, can now fire through them without fear of getting a misdemeanor

[AWS]

Now that makes some sense.

AWS

[257 Wby Mag]

There are almost no culling operations done by sport hunters, urban hunting is pretty much vorboten  for sport hunter(even if it's quiet your still firing a round that will travel very far) and a $1000. for every rifle of a different caliber I own in lew of a pair of $100 electronic ear muffs (realy good ones) still leaves most the advantages for the criminal element that I can see.  Still waiting for a better argument FOR.

AWS

I'm with you AWS, don't know why folks are so horned up about this??? I like the hearing one. laffin...

[jeepasaurusrex]

With all the hoops you have to jump through to get one, I do not see this becoming a poachers tool. The number of people who will actually go though with all the paperwork, etc will be in limited numbers. If someone was to use one poaching, chances are they are not going to obtain one legally in the first place. 

[Heredoggydoggy]

How does the trust paperwork system work? Is that done at the dealer also or straight through the ATF?

It's done at the dealer where you buy the supressor.  You buy the suppressor, the dealer makes out the trust papers with the serial number of the can, and sends the paperwork and your $200 money order to the ATF.  When your tax stamp and trust come back to the dealer, you are clear to take home your suppressor, tax stamp, and trust paperwork.  Expect a 3 to 6 month wait. (or more.)

[jeepasaurusrex]

That process needs to be streamlined if you already have a CPL.

[Heredoggydoggy]

That process needs to be streamlined if you already have a CPL.

The CPL is a State permit.  The Feds could care less who has one.  The wheels of the Federal Gummint grind slowly................slowly.................................s l o w l y............................................

[h2ofowlr]

So what is the bennefit of this bill other than you can use something bigger than a 22 to poach with.

I've done alot of predator control work in the past and if you need quiet you go with a long barrel 22H or a light loaded 223.  Just can't see any benefit for a law abiding citizen, clue me in.

AWS

A big push also came at the toes of the the police departments.  They will probably outfit many of the firearms with cans as you can just throw on hearing aids.  It is cheaper in the long run than paying for hearing aids.  If I could mount one on my duck gun that was efficient I would do it in a second.  I have permanent ringing in my left ear from shooting.  It won't create more poaching as that has already been done by many with unsuppressed guns, cross bows, bows,etc.

[h2ofowlr]

Another thread on the subject.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,74373.msg908632/topicseen.html#new

[jeepasaurusrex]

That process needs to be streamlined if you already have a CPL.

The CPL is a State permit.  The Feds could care less who has one.  The wheels of the Federal Gummint grind slowly................slowly.................................s l o w l y............................................

But, the application for a CPL includes an federal back ground check. Already having a CPL should cut the application time in half if not more.

[BlackRidge]

From what I understand, Its not the background screening that takes the most time, as much as being an understaffed dept dealing with a hefty amount of applications (I believe its all class3 apps - SBR, AOW, FA, etc)