new gmu

[rosscrazyelk]

So whats the deal with these new gmus Grand ronde and tenten? and why?

[rosscrazyelk]

from what I see it is just more elk hunting on private property and the farmer is gonna charge you $$$$$$$$$$ to get on.

[BENCHLEG]

sssshhhh     i was wondering when this would come up.    things will get interisting after they find out what they have drawn.  could be good could be bad . depends on what you know about the country good luck to all j

[fair-chase]

I've tried contacting the ranch to find out what the rules and trespass fees were to no avail. WDFW wasn't any help either. You'd swear it was a misprint by talking to them and the hunt doesn't actually exist. I believe I lost several brain cells during my extremely long conversation with them discussing these hunts. I won't be putting in for them due to the fact that you just don't know what you'll be getting yourself into. You may only be allowed 1 day to hunt and be charged $1,000 access fee. There's just no way of knowing until someone either gets in contact with the ranch or WDFW pulls their head out....

In my opinion hunts like these should be left in the raffle drawings like buckrun and not in the general pool of special permits. I would hate to see our special permit categories shift into managed ranch hunts.

[bobcat]

Well first of all, they're not new Game Management Units.

This should help to answer any questions:

 http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf
 

[fair-chase]

Comments

The landowner hunting permit program should
be altered to have the State of Washington
select the hunters for all tags and not allow a
private party to sell access to use “landowner
tags.”

Comments

I am in favor of WDFW opening more land for
public hunting, but I do not think that allowing
landowners to charge an access fee to hunt is
considered public hunting.

Department Response

This issue was discussed thoroughly with a public
hunting advisory group during development of the
Landowner Hunting Permit program (LHP). The
tags that landowners receive in an LHP agreement
are not considered the “public hunting” portion of the
agreement. Rather, these tags are intended to allow
the landowner to hunt their property or have someone
else hunt their property to offset costs associated with
allowing public hunting or to help address game
damage issues on their land (if they accept an LHP
agreement, they cannot make a crop damage claim).
Hunters drawing “public hunting” permits will not be
charged a fee to hunt on the LHP property

Could you decifer this Bobcat. Are the lands considered part of or not a part of the LHP. How do you decifer what is a "public hunting" permit and what is use of a LHP. Does it mean that if I were to draw the Grande Ronde Quality Deer Tag #1016 that they could not deny me acess to the property? This next one was stated previously in the meeting notes...

Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits
The manager of the Grande Ronde Vista will distribute these hunting
permits. An access fee may be charged in order to utilize these
permits.

[bobcat]

I don't know much about this at all so I hate to just guess and try to answer your question. But from what you posted, it sounds like it's just as it says- that if you draw one of the permits that are available to the public, that you can hunt the property and will not be charged a fee.

[fair-chase]

That's what it looked like to me but it seems backwards. If you draw the general tag you can hunt the whole unit including their property without a trespass fee. If you draw the vista (ranch specific) tag you can only hunt their property but may have to pay. Seems screwy to me. I'm going to pass on putting points in on this but will try to make some contacts to clarify. Just rubs me the wrong way when things are this confusing in our regs.

[bobcat]

You and I aren't on the same page. I wasn't referring to permits that are for the GMU in which the private property is located. When they say "public hunting" permits, I assume they are talking about the ones listed in the regulation pamphlet, that are specifically for the Grande Ronde Vista area. With a permit for the GMU, you would not be able to hunt the private land.

[257 Wby Mag]

Looks like ten-ten is all the wheat/farm ground outta dayton along with the Bennet timberland? There is access. Sounds like the biggest bulls are down low anyway....

[MtnMuley]

sssshhhh     i was wondering when this would come up.    things will get interisting after they find out what they have drawn.  could be good could be bad . depends on what you know about the country good luck to all j

[SkookumHntr]

-With Grande Ronde Vista there is a access fee! And it Aint cheap! Would be nice to know this before applying, thanks wdfw

[Chesapeake]

Skookum,

Could you say where you got that info?

[SkookumHntr]

-The landowner told me!!

[trophyhunt]

-With Grande Ronde Vista there is a access fee! And it Aint cheap! Would be nice to know this before applying, thanks wdfw

You probably already know this, but if not, you can call wdfw and change your choices if you do it before the deadline.  And charging a tresspass fee from our permit process if a bunch of B.S! they should not be allowed to take money, what a bunch of crap.

[Bob33]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf

"Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits

The manager of the Grande Ronde Vista will distribute these hunting permits. An access fee may be charged in order to utilize these permits."

[huntnnw]

the ronde tag is a combo of Odom and 4-0 cattle co..its not cheap and its all private no other land to access but theirs..if I remember right they charged $1500 to kill a cow elk last year on 4-0...the ten ten on the other hand is mostly private and various landowners with some nat forest

[3dvapor]

Great info guys, thats why i like this site, i spent an hour looking at maps and gmu description of tenten last night. 

[BLUEBULLS]

the ronde tag is a combo of Odom and 4-0 cattle co..its not cheap and its all private no other land to access but theirs..if I remember right they charged $1500 to kill a cow elk last year on 4-0...the ten ten on the other hand is mostly private and various landowners with some nat forest

 

Tenten is completely private and I bet the few good landholders there will charge a small fortune now too since they know that they have u by the balls if you draw. The unit is really being sectioned off and posted heavily now too.

[Pathfinder101]

4-0 never charged before.  They used to offer these same tags a couple of years ago (the tag was called the 4-0 Cattle Ranch Tag, not Grande Ronde Vista), then they stopped.  Are we sure that is what they are doing, or did someone call the ranch and ask about hunting and get told about a $1500 access fee? 
Sounds to me like WDFW says that if you draw this tag, you can't be charged an access fee.  Similar to the Buckrun Tag.  If you just want to hunt Buckrun during the season, you pay.  If you draw the WDFW Tag, you don't...
...what am I missing...?

[huntnnw]

I talked to the guy when I was down there 2 years ago and had a cow elk in camp and said he had paid a $1500 access fee to hunt when he drew the tag.. I think is says in the regs in fine print the landowner can charge a access fee. I know 4-O will they are quite protective of the land

[Pathfinder101]

I know a guy who's son drew the 4-0 cow tag 3 years ago.  I didn't think he paid an access fee.  I'll see him at church tomorrow and ask...

[trophyhunt]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf

"Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits

The manager of the Grande Ronde Vista will distribute these hunting permits. An access fee may be charged in order to utilize these permits."

From what I just read in the meetings notes, it said that the landowner cannot charge for the public hunts that are in the state drawings.  Unless I'm missing something, they cannot charge if you draw the tag.

[Pathfinder101]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf

"Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits

The manager of the Grande Ronde Vista will distribute these hunting permits. An access fee may be charged in order to utilize these permits."

From what I just read in the meetings notes, it said that the landowner cannot charge for the public hunts that are in the state drawings.  Unless I'm missing something, they cannot charge if you draw the tag.

That's the way I understand it.  I know in the past, if you wanted to hunt the 4-0, you paid a hefty trespass fee, but if you drew the tag, I am pretty sure you didn't.  They stopped offering the tag last year (or the year before I think), but this Vista Tag sounds like the same thing...
Like I said, I think it is the same as Buckrun.  They get some sort of help from WDFW managing their herd and in return they give up so many tags to the public for free.  At least that's how I understood it...

[rosscrazyelk]

This is why I ask the question. Man confusing stuff.

[provider]

The Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits are different from the public special draw permits.  The LHP's are permits (including many trophy buck and bull) that the landowners can sell to the highest bidder or charge whatever "access fee" they choose.  Remember, it's illegal to charge someone for "hunting" our publically owned resources.  Just because the deer/elk are on private land... does not mean the landowner owns them.  We own them.  They get around this by charging "access, tresspass, rent, etc... fees.  It's BS!
 
In return for our WDFW pimping out numerous trophy buck and bull tags to these landowners, the landowners agree not to submit damage claims, and we (public) have an opportunity to apply for (a much fewer than the landowners get to pimp out) public special hunting permits.  And these landowners   CANNOT  charge a fee to hunt them.  They can only charge a fee for their LHP's or for anyone else wanting to "access" their property during general seasons. 

[bobcat]

Thanks for "providing" a great answer to the question here, provider (very fitting user name in this case) 

[Pathfinder101]

I saw the guy at church but didn't get a chance to ask him today.  I'll drop him an email.  I still don't think that 4-0 charged him when he drew the tag.  Pretty sure he would have mentioned that because he was telling me that I should put my boy in for that hunt. 

[400out]

I saw the guy at church but didn't get a chance to ask him today.  I'll drop him an email.  I still don't think that 4-0 charged him when he drew the tag.  Pretty sure he would have mentioned that because he was telling me that I should put my boy in for that hunt.

THought you didn't talk to him   

[Pathfinder101]

I saw the guy at church but didn't get a chance to ask him today.  I'll drop him an email.  I still don't think that 4-0 charged him when he drew the tag.  Pretty sure he would have mentioned that because he was telling me that I should put my boy in for that hunt.

THought you didn't talk to him   

I talk to him all the time, just haven't been able to catch up with him since this question came up.  I thought I had his email address, but it must have been in my Army computer (which is gone now).  Next time I see him though, I'll ask...