WDFW/DNR/Parks Discover Pass Site Up

[sakoshooter]

As far as no jail time if I read Big Tex right, what the hell is there a fine for, other than the obvious, if you can't pay the fine I would expect an FTA warrant. just don't get it!!!
So according to Tex they can just ignore the infractions, no possible jail time. I'll let someone else try that out..

I thought most people knew this about "infractions" in this state. There are two types of infractions in WA, natural resource infractions and civil infractions.

Natural resource infractions are offenses that are classified as infractions and fall under RCW 76 (Forest and Forest Products "DNR"), 77 (Fish and Wildlife Code "DFW"), 79 (Public Lands "State Parks), and 79A (Public Relational Lands, mainly boating regs). The Discover Pass violation will be a natural resource infraction and will actually have a different offense for each agency. So the RCW for not having the pass on WDFW lands will be different from the RCW in a park which will be different from the RCW on DNR lands, although the fines will be the same. Civil infractions are basically all other infractions, anything from drinking in public to driving with no insurance.

By statute if you "ignore" a infraction you can have charges of contempt of court filed on you, but I don't think that has ever happened, too many infractions are ignored and simply isn’t enough prosecutors. However, if you "ignore" a traffic citation (including ORV/ATV and snowmobile citations) your driver’s license will be suspended.

BigTex, I appreciate you explaining "infractions" but how in the hell would most people know about infractions? We don't work with them for a job as you do!
Front page headlines a couple months back quoted the Gov as saying 'there'd be no enforcement for the Discover Pass as they didn't have the resources to police it'.
Why did they bother to spend the $millions$ creating it, beaurocratically discussing it and implimenting it if they never had any intentions of enforcing it?

[bigtex]

As far as no jail time if I read Big Tex right, what the hell is there a fine for, other than the obvious, if you can't pay the fine I would expect an FTA warrant. just don't get it!!!
So according to Tex they can just ignore the infractions, no possible jail time. I'll let someone else try that out..

I thought most people knew this about "infractions" in this state. There are two types of infractions in WA, natural resource infractions and civil infractions.

Natural resource infractions are offenses that are classified as infractions and fall under RCW 76 (Forest and Forest Products "DNR"), 77 (Fish and Wildlife Code "DFW"), 79 (Public Lands "State Parks), and 79A (Public Relational Lands, mainly boating regs). The Discover Pass violation will be a natural resource infraction and will actually have a different offense for each agency. So the RCW for not having the pass on WDFW lands will be different from the RCW in a park which will be different from the RCW on DNR lands, although the fines will be the same. Civil infractions are basically all other infractions, anything from drinking in public to driving with no insurance.

By statute if you "ignore" a infraction you can have charges of contempt of court filed on you, but I don't think that has ever happened, too many infractions are ignored and simply isn’t enough prosecutors. However, if you "ignore" a traffic citation (including ORV/ATV and snowmobile citations) your driver’s license will be suspended.

BigTex, I appreciate you explaining "infractions" but how in the hell would most people know about infractions? We don't work with them for a job as you do!
Front page headlines a couple months back quoted the Gov as saying 'there'd be no enforcement for the Discover Pass as they didn't have the resources to police it'.
Why did they bother to spend the $millions$ creating it, beaurocratically discussing it and implimenting it if they never had any intentions of enforcing it?

It will be enforced by all three agencies. Like I have said many times the violation for not having the current WDFW vehicle use permit is the most commonly written ticket for WDFW Officers today. You add to the fact that this pass will be the only funding source for State Parks and their Rangers will be enforcing this regulation fiercely, because for them no pass=less funding.

[billythekidrock]

As far as no jail time if I read Big Tex right, what the hell is there a fine for, other than the obvious, if you can't pay the fine I would expect an FTA warrant. just don't get it!!!
So according to Tex they can just ignore the infractions, no possible jail time. I'll let someone else try that out..

I thought most people knew this about "infractions" in this state. There are two types of infractions in WA, natural resource infractions and civil infractions.

Natural resource infractions are offenses that are classified as infractions and fall under RCW 76 (Forest and Forest Products "DNR"), 77 (Fish and Wildlife Code "DFW"), 79 (Public Lands "State Parks), and 79A (Public Relational Lands, mainly boating regs). The Discover Pass violation will be a natural resource infraction and will actually have a different offense for each agency. So the RCW for not having the pass on WDFW lands will be different from the RCW in a park which will be different from the RCW on DNR lands, although the fines will be the same. Civil infractions are basically all other infractions, anything from drinking in public to driving with no insurance.

By statute if you "ignore" a infraction you can have charges of contempt of court filed on you, but I don't think that has ever happened, too many infractions are ignored and simply isn’t enough prosecutors. However, if you "ignore" a traffic citation (including ORV/ATV and snowmobile citations) your driver’s license will be suspended.

BigTex, I appreciate you explaining "infractions" but how in the hell would most people know about infractions? We don't work with them for a job as you do!
Front page headlines a couple months back quoted the Gov as saying 'there'd be no enforcement for the Discover Pass as they didn't have the resources to police it'.
Why did they bother to spend the $millions$ creating it, beaurocratically discussing it and implimenting it if they never had any intentions of enforcing it?

It will be enforced by all three agencies. Like I have said many times the violation for not having the current WDFW vehicle use permit is the most commonly written ticket for WDFW Officers today. You add to the fact that this pass will be the only funding source for State Parks and their Rangers will be enforcing this regulation fiercely, because for them no pass=less funding.

So that being said, I assume DNR will continue to lock the gates since the few dollars they will get is not worth enforcing.
 
I highly doubt DNR will spend much time enforcing this when it comes to State Forests and varied user groups. I forsee a very large "grace period" and a pontential for public outcry.

[bigtex]

As far as no jail time if I read Big Tex right, what the hell is there a fine for, other than the obvious, if you can't pay the fine I would expect an FTA warrant. just don't get it!!!
So according to Tex they can just ignore the infractions, no possible jail time. I'll let someone else try that out..

I thought most people knew this about "infractions" in this state. There are two types of infractions in WA, natural resource infractions and civil infractions.

Natural resource infractions are offenses that are classified as infractions and fall under RCW 76 (Forest and Forest Products "DNR"), 77 (Fish and Wildlife Code "DFW"), 79 (Public Lands "State Parks), and 79A (Public Relational Lands, mainly boating regs). The Discover Pass violation will be a natural resource infraction and will actually have a different offense for each agency. So the RCW for not having the pass on WDFW lands will be different from the RCW in a park which will be different from the RCW on DNR lands, although the fines will be the same. Civil infractions are basically all other infractions, anything from drinking in public to driving with no insurance.

By statute if you "ignore" a infraction you can have charges of contempt of court filed on you, but I don't think that has ever happened, too many infractions are ignored and simply isn’t enough prosecutors. However, if you "ignore" a traffic citation (including ORV/ATV and snowmobile citations) your driver’s license will be suspended.

BigTex, I appreciate you explaining "infractions" but how in the hell would most people know about infractions? We don't work with them for a job as you do!
Front page headlines a couple months back quoted the Gov as saying 'there'd be no enforcement for the Discover Pass as they didn't have the resources to police it'.
Why did they bother to spend the $millions$ creating it, beaurocratically discussing it and implimenting it if they never had any intentions of enforcing it?

It will be enforced by all three agencies. Like I have said many times the violation for not having the current WDFW vehicle use permit is the most commonly written ticket for WDFW Officers today. You add to the fact that this pass will be the only funding source for State Parks and their Rangers will be enforcing this regulation fiercely, because for them no pass=less funding.

So that being said, I assume DNR will continue to lock the gates since the few dollars they will get is not worth enforcing.
 
I highly doubt DNR will spend much time enforcing this when it comes to State Forests and varied user groups. I forsee a very large "grace period" and a pontential for public outcry.

I don’t think it will do anything for DNR to stop closing gates or opening up gates.

I’ve talked with officers/rangers from all three agencies and they have been told that they will enforce it, and pretty tough. It’s already been said that there will be a grace period, and there always is for these things. Quite honestly I think public outcry is what we need for this thing. And I think its mainly going to be those hikers/bikers/park day use people that cause the most problem and raise the most hell about it, because hunter/fishers have been doing it and nothings been done.

Also, the way the law is written allows all three agencies to enforce the violation on each others land. So a Park Ranger can go to a WDFW launch and write a ticket, DNR can go into a State Park, etc. I don’t foresee WDFW and DNR doing this a whole lot because those agencies already have so much of their own land to police. However I would be very surprised if you don’t see state Park Rangers making the rounds at their local WDFW/DNR areas for the pass, especially in the times when their park isn’t as busy since their agency is getting most of the $ from the pass.

[billythekidrock]

I hope you are right.
I don't agree with this pass, but I will follow the rules. I just want to make sure everyone is following them. Might be worth a shot to call the Parkies and have them patrol high traffic DNR lands. I know DNR Enforcement is thin and tree poachers are a more high profile bust than a pass fine.
 
The thing that really bothers me is that I spend very little time on WDFW lands and only a day or two every few years on State Park lands. I am on DNR land weekly but they only get a portion of this pass.
 
I wish the agencies split the access fee or that the purchaser could designate which agencie they want the largest portion to support.

[Jack Diamond]

so they will aggressively write citations for Natural Resource offences, however no one has a clue how to extract the money from the deadbeats! So, I just have to ask, why the hell do we need more regulations and laws when the ones on the books can not be enforced.
not to mention most of us go to get away from the B.S. now more LEO's will be checking everyone out,for crying out loud.
Park rangers checking WDFW lands,and DNR.

Hell most park rangers couldn't track a gutshot Mammoth after a snowstorm.