I sure wish we could use expandible broadheads on big game! (Poll added)

[MDGrand]

You are gonna get some pretty strong reactions to your statement.

I agree with you on this one completely. If you dont want to use it, don't. But your decision does not need to be my decision.

Bottom line is the people for keeping the current regulations dont want to have new people to compete with durring hunting season.

My opinion is that this is counterintuitive thinking as we need to bring more people into hunting so it is not such a highly scutinizd activity.

 

[Machias]

Bottom line is the people for keeping the current regulations dont want to have new people to compete with durring hunting season.
 

Nothing could be further from the truth.

[MDGrand]

every arguement I have heard, especially on this board always comes back to it.

i.e. allowing the use of new expanding broadheads will lead to the shortening of seasons and others buying an archery tag vs. a modern tag.. I have heard this MANY times before.

If that is not your opinion.. cool

[oldleclercrd]

Aren't they already shortening our seasons?

[Button Nubbs]

Why would I ever vote something in if it could potentially shorten my season? Especially if I have no desire to use that product.

[MDGrand]

well, I am not going to dive into this never ending thread too much..

But my final  on the issue is that

1. I do not think it would shorten the season, that is just a hypothetical argument those in favor of keeping the current regulations give

regardless.. the real culprit here in crowding or not being able to use new techologies is the OTC tags we have here in WA.  I would prefer to have regulations similar to ID or UT or MT.. I believe that a draw tag system makes it more difficult and thereby gets the more serious hunters out in the field.

... as opposed to the OTC tags which allow Joe six pack hunter to to buy a tag the night before the opener, bring a half rack and .30-06 and 4x around the mountains not giving a crap if they get any game or not.

BUT.. I am bringing up a whole other subject!

To each his own

[Machias]

every arguement I have heard, especially on this board always comes back to it.

i.e. allowing the use of new expanding broadheads will lead to the shortening of seasons and others buying an archery tag vs. a modern tag.. I have heard this MANY times before.

If that is not your opinion.. cool

Shortening the season and welcoming new bowhunters into the sport is two vastly different things.   I'm only commenting on the reason I'm against expandable has nothing to do with wanting less bowhunters and everything to do with dependability.  Once they get the dependbility and reliability built into these broadheads, then I will give them my consideration.  Has nothing to do with wanting to limit the number of new bowhunters.  Also If a guy decides he NOT going to join bowhunting solely because expandables are not allowed, then he's not really wanting to get into bowhunting.

[Button Nubbs]

YOU don't think it will shorten the seasons but what does the wdfw think? What do you think will happen if harvest goes up? What about if the wounded animal numbers increase? I will put everything I own on the fact that if either of those things happened dfw WOULD shorten the seasons.

[Machias]

well, I am not going to dive into this never ending thread too much..

But my final  on the issue is that

1. I do not think it would shorten the season, that is just a hypothetical argument those in favor of keeping the current regulations give

regardless.. the real culprit here in crowding or not being able to use new techologies is the OTC tags we have here in WA.  I would prefer to have regulations similar to ID or UT or MT.. I believe that a draw tag system makes it more difficult and thereby gets the more serious hunters out in the field.

... as opposed to the OTC tags which allow Joe six pack hunter to to buy a tag the night before the opener, bring a half rack and .30-06 and 4x around the mountains not giving a crap if they get any game or not.

BUT.. I am bringing up a whole other subject!

To each his own

Crowding has NOTHING to do with OTC and everything to do with putting us all into fewer and fewer GMUs.  There is no way to get away from other bowhunters and it has nothing to do with OTC.

[MDGrand]

Machias,

I totally respect your opinion...

and I am asking out of curiosity.. how many other western states have you hunted?

OTC tags, absolutely have an effect on how many hunters are in the field, especially in WA.. I see WAY more serious hunters in other western states with a draw tag system as opposed to WA.

[Curly]

This is a testament to how many passionate hunters want the regs changed when it comes to these particular items.

I bet if we did a poll of illuminocks and 209 ignitions we would find the same results!

I'll take that bet on the 209's...........I bet the poll on illuminocks would win for the yes vote though.

[Machias]

I've hunted OTC in ID, OR and in Missouri.

[MDGrand]

This is a testament to how many passionate hunters want the regs changed when it comes to these particular items.

I bet if we did a poll of illuminocks and 209 ignitions we would find the same results!

I'll take that bet on the 209's...........I bet the poll on illuminocks would win for the yes vote though.

comming from a wet sider that is really hard to believe you would not want 209s!


But.... ok

[MDGrand]

I've hunted OTC in ID, OR and in Missouri.

I have hunted in ID and OR too.. as well as UT, MT, NV, AZ, AK and CO..  Each of these states vary in their draw systems.. some have OTC for some animals, and exclusive draw only for others.... BUT...

The states that exact a more stringent draw system each year.. get the more serious hunter we enjoy being in the field with.

Joe six pack.. is HIGHLY unlikely to join you up in the mountain if he forgot to put his name in the drawing months before.

But WA allows him to buy his tag the nigh before, fill the cooler full of beer and go raise hell.

NOW.. nothing is wrong with that.. but I enjoy being out in the field with more serious hunters as opposed to the novice hunter.

Coincidentally, many of these states allow more technology than WA does too.. i.e. 209s and expanding heads.

[Curly]

If I want to use 209's then I have that option..........it is called modern firearm season.

But that is another topic altogether........