I sure wish we could use expandible broadheads on big game! (Poll added)

[sebek556]

i will start by saying that I have never tryed a mech broadhead, but I know people in SC that swore by them. I have heard the horror stories of them not opening and a prize bounces away but i would like the option to try them.
I look at it like this,I like advise on my bow set up not being told how I must set my bow up.

[oldleclercrd]

Well if that's the case anything has the opportunity to fail and none of use should hunt except with our bear hands. Oh wait our fingers might cramp And we might not to be able to finish the job that way. I guess we shouldn't hunt at all...

C'mon dude, having a rest, sight and peep are completely different from shooting expandable broadheads. Try a different argument...

I was basically mocking what you sound like talking about expandibles nubbs. Im not all that worried if we will hunt with them or not, however its funny hearing peoples opinions about them when they had a "friend" who tried them once and failed. Shoot what you want on your bow and ill shoot what I want on mine.

[Snapshot]

then why do other states allow it...

"The Archery Trade Association, formerly known as the Archery Manufacturer and Merchant's Organization, (AMO) is a non-profit trade organization for the promotion of archery and bowhunting through sale of equipment, projects in archery education, the standardization of equipment measures, and the sponsorship of events." -Wikipedia
 
I was told that ATA goes to gatherings of game department personnel and gives to state agents and agencies. It seems to me it is all about the money...and nothing to do with whether a product is reliable, or if it gives hunting a black eye. When the ATA funds a game department study, then they have bought themselves the ability to influence the decision-makers.

[bearpaw]

than why do other states allow it, who here has used one and have one fail

I had a hunter illegally use them without my knowledge in another state on an elk and they failed to penetrate an elk shoulder. A 6x6 bull was wounded and I know a good solid broadhead would have went through the shoulder. That is one of the reasons I am opposed.

I have not seen evidence that they are suitable to hunting big game found in the western states. 

[3Under]

Shoot what you want on your bow and ill shoot what I want on mine.

  This is a very dangerous slippery slope - at what point would you draw the line?  Bowhunting has always been, and should always be a challenge.  Speaking generally, with every advancement in technology that we introduce to make bowhunting easier (no matter how you slice it, that's the bottom line of what's being proposed), the result for all will be fewer opportunities and shorter seasons.  So, shoot what you want on your bow, and I'll shoot what I want on mine, but when your choices have a negative impact on how and when I can hunt, you better believe I will have a problem with it.
Also, as others have suggested, I highly recommend that everyone interested in this topic read Dr. Ashby's studies -I don't think anyone has done more independent research on broadheads than he has, and it is very clear from his reports that fixed blade broadheads are more reliable, and more effective.

[oldleclercrd]

Shoot what you want on your bow and ill shoot what I want on mine.

  This is a very dangerous slippery slope - at what point would you draw the line?  Bowhunting has always been, and should always be a challenge.  Speaking generally, with every advancement in technology that we introduce to make bowhunting easier (no matter how you slice it, that's the bottom line of what's being proposed), the result for all will be fewer opportunities and shorter seasons.  So, shoot what you want on your bow, and I'll shoot what I want on mine, but when your choices have a negative impact on how and when I can hunt, you better believe I will have a problem with it.
Also, as others have suggested, I highly recommend that everyone interested in this topic read Dr. Ashby's studies -I don't think anyone has done more independent research on broadheads than he has, and it is very clear from his reports that fixed blade broadheads are more reliable, and more effective.

Its no wonder we would have a shorter season with you guys saying it every post. Who says thats gonna happen anyway? Also, if we would have shorter seasons due to expandibles, then are you admitting they work really well and therfore we need a shorter season? Give me a brake. You act like what you put on the end of your arrow is gonna take away from the challenge of a bowhunt. You still have to track them, call them, sneak on them, and make the shot. I didnt know the broadhead choice took away from that.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

What really gets me, this whole debate NEVER stays on the topic of WHY THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED, (the barbed aspect, remember), but instead always turns to the rhetoric of why some wont use them, or don't like them.
I am sure that they have come a long ways from when they were first introduced, and some have been made that are not "barbed", but still, inherent to the design, they are more like a fish arrow than a large game head, and the controversy will continue.
I do not doubt that one day they will be legal for use in Washington, as their popularity increases, and an awful lot of retail stores (in Washington) carry them.
Money and pressure from those that want to use them will change the regulations.
I do not think that anybody does not take up archery because they cannot use them, but do feel that use of them will result in more unrecovered game, due to the fact that the ones most readily available are not necessarily the best ones out there (as in cheapest are what ?mart sells) and there are already enough "Bowhunters" shooting at distances beyond their ability, both with Trad gear and "modern technological arrow launching devices".
I don't care how fast, or quiet your bow is, until they pass 750 fps, you will still be unable to predict what that animal is going to do upon release, and no matter what sharp object you have on the end of your arrow, or how good you are at the range, wounding loss is a fact of hunting, and we owe it to the animals themselves to keep it at a minimum. 

[BOWHUNTER45]

seriously trust me on this ..... they s$ck ... more animals wounded with these type broadheads ,,, just deflect when hitting bones ... not bragging but have killed over 100 animals with a bow and its fixed blades only for me ... now for small game like TURKEYS (YES) They will benefit retrieving these tough birds !!! all the crap on t.v they can keep it to themselves and sell this product amongst themselves !!!

[Snapshot]

You act like what you put on the end of your arrow is gonna take away from the challenge of a bowhunt. You still have to track them, call them, sneak on them, and make the shot. I didnt know the broadhead choice took away from that.

Being able to sharpen a broadhead and to tune the equipment so as to achieve proper arrow flight  are two of the most essential components in the challenge of bowhunting! But those and many other challenges cannot or will not met by many if not most bowhunters today...they are missing out on the personal involvement and the satisfaction derived from it that the archery hunters of old cherished.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I have to agree, there is something about sitting down on a log and running the file across my BH's that I would miss if I was one of those "techies"

[Lowedog]

 

[oldleclercrd]

You act like what you put on the end of your arrow is gonna take away from the challenge of a bowhunt. You still have to track them, call them, sneak on them, and make the shot. I didnt know the broadhead choice took away from that.

Being able to sharpen a broadhead and to tune the equipment so as to achieve proper arrow flight  are two of the most essential components in the challenge of bowhunting! But those and many other challenges cannot or will not met by many if not most bowhunters today...they are missing out on the personal involvement and the satisfaction derived from it that the archery hunters of old cherished.

You have to tune your bow before you shoot it? Oh and I buy replaceable blades to keep them sharp. Just MY choice on My properly tuned bow.

[Snapshot]

You have to tune your bow before you shoot it? Oh and I buy replaceable blades to keep them sharp.

Of course I have to tune the bow... Ya can't just throw a string on it and hope for the best.
 
Do whatever you need to do to get a sharp broadhead...that is the bottom line. But I'm here to say it is satisfying to hone an edge to shaving-sharpness with simple tools in one's own hands. 

[Snapshot]

I have to agree, there is something about sitting down on a log and running the file across my BH's that I would miss if I was one of those "techies"

Stiknstring, I know a guy who used to launch arrows tipped with two-blade broadheads from a PSE compound. Just because he used a compound didn't mean he couldn't partake in one of the simple pleasures of archery hunting. He used the most sturdy broadhead he could find and did what it took to get them to fly properly.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I have to agree, there is something about sitting down on a log and running the file across my BH's that I would miss if I was one of those "techies"

Stiknstring, I know a guy who used to launch arrows tipped with two-blade broadheads from a PSE compound. Just because he used a compound didn't mean he couldn't partake in one of the simple pleasures of archery hunting. He used the most sturdy broadhead he could find and did what it took to get them to fly properly.

I was not commenting about the bow, I was commenting about the broadhead, and one of the aspects of archery I sometimes take for granted. that someone else pointed out.
I do not know how they replace blades, or resharpen expandables.