Sabotloader, tell me about elk bullets.

[Sabotloader]

SO sabotloader i bout a bunch of the nosler partition ML bullets what do you think of those??? Sorry for the thread jack just figured i could ask here. I bought them on sale from nosler for 5 bucks a pack.

I have shot the lead bullets from knight for almost 10 years with out failure. was thinking of trying something new when they were gone.

Remember this is just my opinion... The Nosler partitions are the second best bullet ever made... only because i now think the Lehigh is the best bullet for terminal performance.

I used Nosler Partitions for 40 years and swear by them...  The cow in the picture was shot with a .458/300 grain partition at about 170 yards...

You do not get to recover a Nosler from the animal very often, but these two are good examples of Nosler performance.  The 300 recovered from an Elk at 170/180 yards.  And the 260 from a buck at 130 yards

[Jason]

Sabotloader, this is some great info!  Thanks for taking the time to really show and explain the differences in bullets.

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[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

thanks for the opinion. I knew i couldnt go wrong when they were on sale, and they were nosler partitions. hope they shoot well out of my bighorn.

[Sabotloader]

thanks for the opinion. I knew i couldnt go wrong when they were on sale, and they were nosler partitions. hope they shoot well out of my bighorn.

They will...

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

it will be different shooting the noslers instead of the knight lead. but the knight lead has served us well. All in my party use them and we havn't lost an animal yet.

[dupedc]

Sabotloader, thanks again for all of your help!  On a slightly different topic, I know you shoot a Rem ML700...what sights do you use and/or recommend.  Last week I cracked my rear sight and so now I am shopping for something new.  I have read the previous threads and the Williams and Tru Globe sights both look incredible.  Any insight for the 700?

[Sabotloader]

Sabotloader, thanks again for all of your help!  On a slightly different topic, I know you shoot a Rem ML700...what sights do you use and/or recommend.  Last week I cracked my rear sight and so now I am shopping for something new.  I have read the previous threads and the Williams and Tru Globe sights both look incredible.  Any insight for the 700?

I really like the peep site... my eyes are really old and I feel the peep with a hood on the front sight really give me a scope effect when I look down through them.

I have both the Lyman Peep and and a couple of Williams FP sights.  I really think the Williams FP series is a great sight.  It has quarter minute clicks and the .09? apeture is great for hunting... combine that with a front fire sight, a williams ramp and a fire sight hood... in like flint!!!

Here is the setup on my MK-85

[dupedc]

Sweet setup!  Looks like you've done all of the homework for us.  Time to order it.  Thanks again!

[Sabotloader]

Sweet setup!  Looks like you've done all of the homework for us.  Time to order it.  Thanks again!

Call: Williams 1-800-530-9028 ext 228 - you should get Steve... Tell him which rifle you have and he can set you up... with everything...

You are after a Williams FP-70AP peep sight... but verify that with Steve... and then he can match you with the ramp and front sight you need...

His part prices are a bit higher than you will find on the net... but hs shipping is much cheaper - so it all just about equals out...

[dupedc]

Thanks.  Just the confidence and peace of mind that I'm getting the right set-up for my rifle is worth it to speak to someone "live".  I'm glad I checked back here.  I was on Midway USA and had a sight in my cart...not the one you have listed.  I'll call on Monday.

[rock]

SO sabotloader i bout a bunch of the nosler partition ML bullets what do you think of those??? Sorry for the thread jack just figured i could ask here. I bought them on sale from nosler for 5 bucks a pack.

I have shot the lead bullets from knight for almost 10 years with out failure. was thinking of trying something new when they were gone.

  The cow in the picture was shot with a .458/300 grain partition at about 170 yards...

 The 300 recovered from an Elk at 170/180 yards.  And the 260 from a buck at 130 yards

Now did you shoot those aniamls without a scope at that distance? Just a question. Im trying to think how far i can shoot with mine.

[Sabotloader]

Now did you shoot those aniamls without a scope at that distance? Just a question. Im trying to think how far i can shoot with mine.

No, that animal was shot during regular rifle season here in Idaho so the ML is scoped.  I have not hunted with a centerfire in 15 years - anyway big game.  ML shooting and hunting is a disease and I have it bad...

Other part of your question, In that situation... and it was an ideal one... Snow on the ground as a back ground, animal standing broadside, me the shooter in a prone position in the snow on a old logging road and behind a water bar using it as a rest.... and with the bullet, the gun and the addition of a Williams FP peep sight - yes! I would take the same shot again...  Although, 150 yards is my “self imposed” max with open sights if I have the perfect shot...

Here is a picture of the sight setup on my MK-85



Here are some additional pictures that show more about the hunt….





Skidded out with a 4 wheeler and load whole in the truck….




 

[rock]

Nice! that bullet looks deadly. What like the full name of it? And where do you find it , as i am in the search for a elk bullet.

[Sabotloader]

Nice! that bullet looks deadly. What like the full name of it? And where do you find it , as i am in the search for a elk bullet.

Well now, that presents a problem... It is/was a .458-300 grain Nosler Partition Protected Point... Problem? Nosler is no longer making this bullet - think they are getting ready for what they feel is coming in the "lead ban".  They can be still purchased from Widners Sports, but that may be short lived...

I have made the switch from Noslers, and it was hard to do, to the new Lehigh bullet or as Knight calls them the 'Bloodline'.

http://lehighbullets.com/products.asp?cat=29

or at Knight



These are made of solid brass, spun on a CNC lathe - so they are really round and fly accuratey.

I now shoot the Lehigh/Bloodline .458-300 grain DOA in a MMP .458-50 cal sabot.



These bullets work on a completly different theory than expanding bullets, a theory lifted from Germany and after all my testing 'it works'.

This is the family... In this picture the 300 grain bullet is the 'old' 300 grain - the new one is as shown in the first picture.

They are expensive - but worth every penney when it comes to a shot on an elk - cow or bull...  This my opinion only, but they and the Nosler allow you a margin of error if your shot is off a couple of inches.  I have not harvested an elk with one of these yet, I only started shooting them last year, but with the lighter 250 grain I have done a number on a couple of whitetail.

[Rick]

I am not a fan of Power Belts at all - but that is a whole different story....

What is it you don't like about the Power Belts? I shot a couple new rifles over the weekend and the PBs seemed to work well.

I was shooting the copper plated 348gr version from my Traditions Vortek and CVA Eklhorn. With 90gr of T7 they were zipping right through an 8x8 hem-fir timber.

The were easy to load and very accurate as well. I came home thinking I had found my hunting load for both rifles,but now you have me wondering.