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Quote from: robertg on June 04, 2011, 11:23:38 AMQuote from: DoubleJ on June 04, 2011, 11:21:01 AMSo, if they migrate so well, why plant them?Wolves were never planted in Washington. They came over naturally from Idaho and other states. There is no reason to reintroduce wolves to Washington when they are already come over naturally from places like Idaho and Canada.Really? I think you are the one who has mistaken info
Quote from: DoubleJ on June 04, 2011, 11:21:01 AMSo, if they migrate so well, why plant them?Wolves were never planted in Washington. They came over naturally from Idaho and other states. There is no reason to reintroduce wolves to Washington when they are already come over naturally from places like Idaho and Canada.
So, if they migrate so well, why plant them?
Quote from: robertg on June 04, 2011, 11:23:38 AMQuote from: DoubleJ on June 04, 2011, 11:21:01 AMSo, if they migrate so well, why plant them?Wolves were never planted in Washington. They came over naturally from Idaho and other states. There is no reason to reintroduce wolves to Washington when they are already come over naturally from places like Idaho and Canada. Hmmm.... I wonder how those WDFW radio collars got around thier necks.
Im going to start calling anyone who says wolves are endangered a liar. There somewhere around 70,000 wolves in North America. Personally I dont have a problem with a few wolves in WA that migrate here naturally but they need to be managed as soon as they cross the border. They cannot be allowed to leave a path of destruction in their wake as they work their way to the ocean. The fed has delisted the wolf in almost one third of the state. I say we demand that any money going towards wolves is cut by one third. If wolves can adapt to modern landscapes and human populations then they belong here. They will live and survive where there is the fewest conflicts. That is natures way.
Where'd that number come from?
PopulationThere are an estimated 7,000 to 11,200 wolves in Alaska and more than 5,000 in the lower 48 states. Around the world there are an estimated 200,000 in 57 countries, compared to up to 2 million in earlier times.
Canada has over 52,000-60,000 wolves which are legally considered a big game species, though they are afforded protection in 3% of Canada's territory. The Northwest Territories, Nunavut and Yukon have 5,000 wolves each, British Columbia has 8000 wolves, Alberta 4,200, Saskatchewan 4,300, Manitoba 4,000-6,000, Ontario 9,000, Quebec 5,000 and Labrador 2,000. Canada currently has no livestock damage compensation programmes.[2]The United States as a whole has up to 9,000 wolves which are increasing in number in all their ranges.
Quote from: jackelope on June 04, 2011, 11:53:30 AMQuote from: Kain on June 04, 2011, 11:46:28 AMIm going to start calling anyone who says wolves are endangered a liar. There somewhere around 70,000 wolves in North America. Personally I dont have a problem with a few wolves in WA that migrate here naturally but they need to be managed as soon as they cross the border. They cannot be allowed to leave a path of destruction in their wake as they work their way to the ocean. The fed has delisted the wolf in almost one third of the state. I say we demand that any money going towards wolves is cut by one third. If wolves can adapt to modern landscapes and human populations then they belong here. They will live and survive where there is the fewest conflicts. That is natures way. Where'd that number come from?http://library.fws.gov/pubs3/wolves00.pdfhttp://www.defenders.org/wildlife_and_habitat/wildlife/wolf,_gray.phpDoesnt give the population for Canada but its still around 50000.QuotePopulationThere are an estimated 7,000 to 11,200 wolves in Alaska and more than 5,000 in the lower 48 states. Around the world there are an estimated 200,000 in 57 countries, compared to up to 2 million in earlier times.If you can trust Wikipedia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grey_wolf_populations_by_countryQuoteCanada has over 52,000-60,000 wolves which are legally considered a big game species, though they are afforded protection in 3% of Canada's territory. The Northwest Territories, Nunavut and Yukon have 5,000 wolves each, British Columbia has 8000 wolves, Alberta 4,200, Saskatchewan 4,300, Manitoba 4,000-6,000, Ontario 9,000, Quebec 5,000 and Labrador 2,000. Canada currently has no livestock damage compensation programmes.[2]The United States as a whole has up to 9,000 wolves which are increasing in number in all their ranges.
Quote from: Kain on June 04, 2011, 11:46:28 AMIm going to start calling anyone who says wolves are endangered a liar. There somewhere around 70,000 wolves in North America. Personally I dont have a problem with a few wolves in WA that migrate here naturally but they need to be managed as soon as they cross the border. They cannot be allowed to leave a path of destruction in their wake as they work their way to the ocean. The fed has delisted the wolf in almost one third of the state. I say we demand that any money going towards wolves is cut by one third. If wolves can adapt to modern landscapes and human populations then they belong here. They will live and survive where there is the fewest conflicts. That is natures way. Where'd that number come from?
And now it appears this robertg fellow has succeeded in derailing this thread and turning us against each other. This is why we can never unite as hunters. If he is on here with an open, honest opinion on a HUNTING forum I would like to see some of his big-game hunting pics posted. Otherwise he is on solely to divide us.
They should be allowed to exist as much as Coyotes are. Open season all year long. If they can cut it they willl. They will survive as they have in years past, in the back country where they belong. Their population will never be large enough to hurt big game populations and yet they will survive just fine.
There are those who say we brought the wrong wolves into Idaho in 1995 and 1996, that they’re bigger wolves than the ones that were here.I have to support the science again, and specialists in morphology and genetics on wolves indicate that the wolf that was brought down from Canada is the same wolf that lived here previously. And I did some research into books on early wolves that were captured in the Northern Rockies, even as far south as Colorado during the days that wolves were being hunted down in the 1930s; and the body weights were very much the same.So I feel that this wolf that was brought from Canada is the same species and genetics as the wolves that lived here once upon a time. I think people have to remember that the northern Rockies -- we call it the northern Rockies in Idaho and Montana, but actually we’re a southern extension of the northern Rockies out of Canada -- and all of those wolves in Canada have the potential and the ability to disperse. I believe what happened over the last 50-60 years is that individual wolves have come from Canada following the Rocky Mountain chain and ended up periodically in places like Montana and Idaho.-Carter Niemeyer