twisp rancher in trouble for killin 3 wolves !!!!!!

[jackelope]

Sorry maybe I misread your post. It sounded to me like you were saying "we" didn't think he would get in trouble.

Well hear we are .. not thinking he would ever be in trouble killin wolves

[Machias]

I always adhered to the law during 20 years as an LE patrolman and detective.  Hunting is not just a pasttime for me it is my very soul.  I read Mr. Beers assesment the other day and should have simmered down before I posted. I posted purely out of bitter frustration and a sense of hopelessness.  Looking east at how the past 15 years have gone and looking at how our state does stuff and the WDFW operates I am not nearly as optomistic as some of you.  Looking at the past few years and seeing how the the very same folks are in charge here I can't for the life of me see where you guys think this will work it's self out somewhere down the road.  The sarcastic quote above is not internet tough guy it was a sarcastic remark that I truely believe will come to pass for the very reason you said, 99.9% of us will not risk our families over a wolf.  I get it.  That sarcastic remark is directed at me as well as the rest of us.  We WILL be sitting around wishing for the old days, we won't have a heritage to pass along to our kids, because we will stick to the high road..

[teanawayslayer]

Well hear we are .. not thinking he would ever be in trouble killin wolves , thats not the case but if this rancher was smart enough I do not think he would of known better and try mailing it to another state ...       Seriously what do you think a mail carrier is going to do when they notice blood coming from a box ... these wolves moved down from Canada and he figured it was is duty to eliminate a couple ...

Who didn't think he would ever be in trouble for killing wolves?
"We" is not accurate.

obvisously he did or he would not of killed them !!! nor would he mail them off ... so how should of I worded it ..and their was blood coming from a box because at one point it would not of held up in court because they opened the box without a search warrant  but I guess they got around that ....everything is a figure of speech seems like you can not make everyone happy on any given issue !!! way to many opinions on all this stuff !!

the search warrant  should be the luepold to get him out of this mess

[Skillet]

the search warrant  should be the luepold to get him out of this mess

I'm still amazed at how many people will rally around the wrong thing for the right reasons...

A technicality like that does not determine if he did or did not commit a felony, it just inhibits the ability of the prosecution to introduce that piece of evidence to support proving the felony occurred. 

If it comes down to him getting off on a technicality, then the argument about whether he's a dirtbag poacher is moot, isn't it?  We're pretty much talking about him either being a dirtbag poacher with a conviction or one without.

[h20hunter]

The quote of "I support them and hope the beat it" is a fairly sad quote in my opinion. I don't understand why one can condone poaching when it is a wolf but ignore the vast evidence that the same person has poached deer, moose, and bear. The only difference is the species, not the act. What is next...shooting 2 pt mulies because the the "need to be removed" from the breeding pool?

I agree that management needs to be done very carefully. The fact is that wolves are here. Yep, they are gonna eat deer, elk, and whatever else. Are they going to eat "all the deer". Of course not.

[teanawayslayer]

the search warrant  should be the luepold to get him out of this mess

I'm still amazed at how many people will rally around the wrong thing for the right reasons...

A technicality like that does not determine if he did or did not commit a felony, it just inhibits the ability of the prosecution to introduce that piece of evidence to support proving the felony occurred. 

If it comes down to him getting off on a technicality, then the argument about whether he's a dirtbag poacher is moot, isn't it?  We're pretty much talking about him either being a dirtbag poacher with a conviction or one without.

Like I said earlier you have your opinion I have mine.  This man would give you the shirt of his back.  You can't say that about about to many people.  You calling somone a dirt bag that you don't even know makes it ok I guess?  Everyone is so quick to judge people they don't even know.  One thing I said earlier is You don't know the whole truth.  So lets persicute him.  Thats crap.  All I know is that they are good folks and they have enough to deal with.  Without people calling them scum bags.  I don't care who knows that I support them.  Yes if the court finds them guilty they will take there punishment and deal with it.  If they get off on a technicality that's fine by me.

[h20hunter]

Tenaway...

I understand your point of view. You feel for these folks becuase you know them apprently by the good deeds they have done. Got it. The same way a parents looks after a child, for better or worse. That is an admirable trait to stand by people in good and bad times. However.....if the allegations of mulitiple poaching are proven true than I don't understand your arguement that "we hunters" stick together.

I would say a good debate and good thing to argue about is neck shots vs. lung...mechanical vs. fixed, bourbon vs scotch. Not whether or not we should stick by other hunters when they have apprently and allegedly shown complete disregard for just about any and all game laws.

Again, I understand your desire to defend and stick with the Whites. Like I said, admirable. However, that still doesn't justify the apperant disregard for game laws.

[True Sportsman]

the search warrant  should be the luepold to get him out of this mess

I'm still amazed at how many people will rally around the wrong thing for the right reasons...

A technicality like that does not determine if he did or did not commit a felony, it just inhibits the ability of the prosecution to introduce that piece of evidence to support proving the felony occurred. 

If it comes down to him getting off on a technicality, then the argument about whether he's a dirtbag poacher is moot, isn't it?  We're pretty much talking about him either being a dirtbag poacher with a conviction or one without.

Like I said earlier you have your opinion I have mine.  This man would give you the shirt of his back.  You can't say that about about to many people.  You calling somone a dirt bag that you don't even know makes it ok I guess?  Everyone is so quick to judge people they don't even know.  One thing I said earlier is You don't know the whole truth.  So lets persicute him.  Thats crap.  All I know is that they are good folks and they have enough to deal with.  Without people calling them scum bags.  I don't care who knows that I support them.  Yes if the court finds them guilty they will take there punishment and deal with it.  If they get off on a technicality that's fine by me.

If he is such a good guy, why would he break the law by "allegedly" killing a wolf? Why would he try and ship the pelt to Canada? And why wouldn't he ship it in a cooler with some dry ice?!!!

Seems like he really blew it. Literally.

[danderson]

Im with you Teanawayslayer, I cant believe what I am reading on here, let the facts come out then judge, all I know is if I was told that there were no wolves living in my parts and something was killing my livestock its dead.

[trophyhunt]

I always adhered to the law during 20 years as an LE patrolman and detective.  Hunting is not just a pasttime for me it is my very soul.  I read Mr. Beers assessment the other day and should have simmered down before I posted. I posted purely out of bitter frustration and a sense of hopelessness.  Looking east at how the past 15 years have gone and looking at how our state does stuff and the WDFW operates I am not nearly as optimistic as some of you.  Looking at the past few years and seeing how the the very same folks are in charge here I can't for the life of me see where you guys think this will work it's self out somewhere down the road.  The sarcastic quote above is not internet tough guy it was a sarcastic remark that I truly believe will come to pass for the very reason you said, 99.9% of us will not risk our families over a wolf.  I get it.  That sarcastic remark is directed at me as well as the rest of us.  We WILL be sitting around wishing for the old days, we won't have a heritage to pass along to our kids, because we will stick to the high road..

:yeah:Amen, what will it take for some of these.... to understand the damage that wolves will do to our wildlife??  I don't think the wdfw will be staking out my house for saying what I feel on this site.   90% of us are the same on this site. We love hunting period, some of us just have blinders on and haven't traveled out of state much to hunt in areas that have been decimated by the wolves, wiped the f out.  It won't take long, can't you friggin understand that!  I don't agree that SSS will bring more pressure down on us, not for a minute. I think real hunters understand the damage that is in our future thanks to pussies that keep the blinders on. Oops now I've lost some friends and support I used to get but this just infuriates me even more than the tribal hunting. Sorry

[rtspring]

I don't know the whole story but,

If a wolf or anything else for that matter is coming on my property and trying to cause harm to anything that lives on my land, humans, livestock, and such... bet your ass thats a dead wolf.  Wouldn't even think twice about it........

[Skillet]

:yeah:Amen, what will it take for some of these.... to understand the damage that wolves will do to our wildlife?? 

I understand wolves don't eat kibble.  I understand they eat a lot of non-kibble, in fact, and their presence will affect the amount of available game to hunters.  I understand for this to be successful, wolves will need to be managed like any other predator.  We're the most apex predator out there, and look at how much management we have to deal with.  The rider passed on the budget bill de-listing wolves provided an unprecedented opportunity for that management to happen, and the discussion in Olympia has changed from one of "wolves are coming back, and that's that", to "we better get a plan in place."  It's a bad plan now, in my opinion, but plans can be changed.

I also understand that the people who killed these wolves (WHOEVER THEY ARE), are poachers of a then-federally protected species, plain and simple.  If they were actaully defending their stock or pets, they could have easily just shot the mongrels and called the WDFW to deal with it. Sure, they may have gotten the rubber glove treatment at that point, but an honest man has nothing to hide - so he would have soon been along his merry, wolf-free way.

What I don't understand is the duplicity of the mentality of many on this site. If it was a monster peaches ridge bull killed out of season by a tribal member, a large number of guys here would be arguing for a lynching.  In this case, a large number of the same guys would be helping poachers mount a defense because they poached wolves instead.

I've known a poacher.   Worked with him in fact - we always thought he was joking about going hunting with his chinese buddy "Poe-Chinh".  Nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.  But when it came out that he really wasn't kidding and got rang up by the WDFW, he was just a dirtbag poacher to me and the rest of the guys.  I don't know if he was convicted or not, he quit right after he was charged.

In any case - it doesn't take a jury's opinion to tell me that when somebody admits to poaching game, they're a poacher.  Again, OJ's free, but he ain't innocent.

[Skillet]

I don't know the whole story but,

If a wolf or anything else for that matter is coming on my property and trying to cause harm to anything that lives on my land, humans, livestock, and such... bet your ass thats a dead wolf.  Wouldn't even think twice about it........

And if you'd report it as just that scenario and not try to ship a pelt to Canada, you'd be a folk hero with nothing to hide.  But that ain't what went down here.

[pianoman9701]

For every wolf poached it also prolongs delisting. 

The article in NWSPM revealed a lot of info I had yet to read about the case.

I'm sorry for repeating myself but, if we have to wait to kill wolves just because they delist them- then it will be too late for the deer and the elk.  A dead wolf that no one knows about is a good thing, I would love it if they never get delisted in Wa. Which would mean they never reach the numbers that it would take to delist them!!

Why are these comments being posted in a forum that's open to public viewing? You guys are going to bring heat down on all of the hunters of this state because you can't keep your comments about illegal activities and poaching to yourself. This is really stupid.

Because it is an honest opinion. And to the post that said, "I would not want to be in his shoes." +1 to that. Me either.

I agree that illegal action should be kept to an individual. Don't forget LE does monitor the site. But to answer the question of trying to just be a vigilante and think that the wolves will be kept suppressed think about this guy, he is giving up his freedom, his father's freedom, his wife's freedom, by this I mean potentially tens of thousands of dollars and real jail time. 9 felonies. With his wife on video trying to mail a pelt from the US to Canada it might be hard to refute that kind of evidence. So real jail time is likely. And what did it accomplish? Maybe, it broke up one pack. For those few how many more are there now? We are not going to take away the very real possibility of jail time through vigilantism. It also gives more credibility to needing more LE enforcement. It gives cannon fodder to the pro wolf organizations to continue to raise more funds. I don't advocate vigilantism at this junction. I advocate getting as many people to write, phone, type and join our cause as possible. Wolves are in Washington to stay. It is that simple. How they are managed or if they are managed is still up for debate.

Very well stated.

[trophyhunt]

There is a world of difference between a trophy bull elk hell even a spike elk and a wolf.  The wolf isn't just a predator like the cougar, bear or even a coyote but the difference is the wolf is on steroids compared to those other guys.  If you guys want the population of wolves to be high enough to manage, then we've already lost.  Why doesn't that make sense to you?  I could give two rats ass if the Fed's have them protected.  Are they endangered? You know the answer to that, maby to WA st but there is a reason they haven't been here in many years- because they don't fit in our state with the goals we have to have a healthy huntable deer and elk herd.  I will never consider someone who shoots a wolf a poacher. In order to protect what we love and respect, for the future of our kids and their kids the wolves need to be eliminated not given the chance to take the state over and then throw some tags at them.  Idaho has tags do you think they are happy with the wolves now? F no, they kill everyone they see and the Gov. could gives two *censored*s about it.  So I suppose the Gov. of Idaho supports poaching? I seriously doubt it. I don't think what they did was smart at all but It also doesn't bother me that some wolves died.  I think some here are on the line of supporting the damn things and don't even realize it.  SSS