Quality elk hunt- Dayton

[washingtonmuley]

Maximus,
I think it is great that you are giving a fellow hunter insight to the area.

[Maximus4252626]

Maximus Are you a broughton?

wink wink

[brianmtsinc]

Maximus.... obviously this is a special tag... I think it is great you are wiling to help a fellow hunter

[Maximus4252626]

People have to understand that it does not matter if I help this guy out and post specifics. This is a trophy bull area, which someone would have to apply for a longtime (avg 11 points) before they get drawn, unless you are incredibly lucky. The specifics I posted are in regards to a fair part of the area being "Posted No Hunting" with the exception of the national forest. It is not breaking news that the Blue Mtns produce trophy bull elk. Big deal! you still have to apply, get drawn (rare), then go shoot one. They only give out 20 modern firearm tags and a handful for the remaining weapon choices. It not like eveyone that reads this is going to run out and hunt the area. YOU CAN'T, it is a trophy area unless you want to shoot spikes or cows. If a guy gets drawn and needs help, we should try and help him full fill his longtime wait and dream. We should be happy if he fills one. Alot of people that get drawn don't even fill their tag. Whats the point of this website if we are not helping eachother out? If we are not helping eachother, then its just a bunch of people telling old hunting stories and bragging about what they harvested this year. Where is the value in that?

[brianmtsinc]

 
I couldnt agree more!
It is one of the things I love about this site - not everyone - but MANY are willing to help each other out - especially on the special permit draws.  I know if/when someone needs help in the areas I know, I will be doing what I can to help.  I think it is called "karma"

 

[bucklucky]

Sometimes info like that is best given via PM . I cant count how much info I have given out over the years on here and have helped quite a few , but the info I give is PMed , not put out to where everyone can read it.

[BLUEBULLS]

Sometimes info like that is best given via PM . I cant count how much info I have given out over the years on here and have helped quite a few , but the info I give is PMed , not put out to where everyone can read it.

 

It's not so much the bull tag holders that are crowding the area but everyone else who wants to see and take video or pictures of a big bull.

I wish everyone with a tag the best of luck and I've helped pretty much everybody that has asked but not in  the wide open for everyone to see.

[bucklucky]

Exactly Jake!!!

[HntnFsh]

People have to understand that it does not matter if I help this guy out and post specifics. This is a trophy bull area, which someone would have to apply for a longtime (avg 11 points) before they get drawn, unless you are incredibly lucky. The specifics I posted are in regards to a fair part of the area being "Posted No Hunting" with the exception of the national forest. It is not breaking news that the Blue Mtns produce trophy bull elk. Big deal! you still have to apply, get drawn (rare), then go shoot one. They only give out 20 modern firearm tags and a handful for the remaining weapon choices. It not like eveyone that reads this is going to run out and hunt the area. YOU CAN'T, it is a trophy area unless you want to shoot spikes or cows. If a guy gets drawn and needs help, we should try and help him full fill his longtime wait and dream. We should be happy if he fills one. Alot of people that get drawn don't even fill their tag. Whats the point of this website if we are not helping eachother out? If we are not helping eachother, then its just a bunch of people telling old hunting stories and bragging about what they harvested this year. Where is the value in that?

Couldnt agree more! Glad you joned the board.Hope you stick around.Lot of good people on here!

[ipkus]

The lower foothills of 162, which eventually change to 163 is where the majority of the elk are at (Big Bulls).

Again, most of the elk are in the foothills of 162 between the North Patit RD and the South Patit RD, but you cannot acce*censored* it (posted).

Read what you posted?  Ok, this is what you posted.  It is not true, so I provided the guy a little more advice.

Why get your panties in such a bunch?  I specified at the beginning that it wasn't anything personal against you, and commended you for helping the guy out.  I never claimed to be a know it all, and in fact will state right now, "I don't know anywhere close to 'it all'".

The picture that was painted for this guy was that permission on private ground was important for his ability to harvest a big bull, and that he had little chance of getting said permission.  All I added was that there are big bulls on the NF ground during his season, and with some legwork he could find one.  My bad.

Since you've pointed out that you are a member of the Broughton family, maybe you could shed some light for us as to why WDFW essentially split the 'Dayton' tags in half and created the 'Ten Ten' special draw (essentially only valid on private property)with those tags?

[Caseyd]

The lower foothills of 162, which eventually change to 163 is where the majority of the elk are at (Big Bulls).

Again, most of the elk are in the foothills of 162 between the North Patit RD and the South Patit RD, but you cannot acce*censored* it (posted).

Read what you posted?  Ok, this is what you posted.  It is not true, so I provided the guy a little more advice.

Why get your panties in such a bunch?  I specified at the beginning that it wasn't anything personal against you, and commended you for helping the guy out.  I never claimed to be a know it all, and in fact will state right now, "I don't know anywhere close to 'it all'".

The picture that was painted for this guy was that permission on private ground was important for his ability to harvest a big bull, and that he had little chance of getting said permission.  All I added was that there are big bulls on the NF ground during his season, and with some legwork he could find one.  My bad.

Since you've pointed out that you are a member of the Broughton family, maybe you could shed some light for us as to why WDFW essentially split the 'Dayton' tags in half and created the 'Ten Ten' special draw (essentially only valid on private property)with those tags?

To keep the population for locals 

[Cascade]

The lower foothills of 162, which eventually change to 163 is where the majority of the elk are at (Big Bulls).

Again, most of the elk are in the foothills of 162 between the North Patit RD and the South Patit RD, but you cannot acce*censored* it (posted).

Read what you posted?  Ok, this is what you posted.  It is not true, so I provided the guy a little more advice.

Why get your panties in such a bunch?  I specified at the beginning that it wasn't anything personal against you, and commended you for helping the guy out.  I never claimed to be a know it all, and in fact will state right now, "I don't know anywhere close to 'it all'".

The picture that was painted for this guy was that permission on private ground was important for his ability to harvest a big bull, and that he had little chance of getting said permission.  All I added was that there are big bulls on the NF ground during his season, and with some legwork he could find one.  My bad.

Since you've pointed out that you are a member of the Broughton family, maybe you could shed some light for us as to why WDFW essentially split the 'Dayton' tags in half and created the 'Ten Ten' special draw (essentially only valid on private property)with those tags?

Hopefully, it was for me to have good access when I get drawn! 

[Maximus4252626]

Since you've pointed out that you are a member of the Broughton family, maybe you could shed some light for us as to why WDFW essentially split the 'Dayton' tags in half and created the 'Ten Ten' special draw (essentially only valid on private property)with those tags?

I think I just answered this question in my various posts. Both Dayton 162 and 163 are heavily posted during hunting season. If you draw a special permit, like the member did that started this forum (trophy bull tag etc); in many cases it will require you to get written permission. In this case of our fellow member within the forum, who was lucky enough to draw a bull tag; he will likely want to scout the area, get permission etc. because so much of 162 is posted. Take the Broughton Land and Cattle company for example. Years ago if you came to the office in Dayton and spoke with Dave you could get written permission to hunt the land. About 11 years ago was the cut off. Anybody, who did not register that season, even if they had hunted the land in the past, was no longer permitted to hunt on the land.

[Maximus4252626]

The land was getting over crowded with hunters and needed to be managed. The land was essentially reserved for the 200 + employees and anyone who came to register during the final registration year (appx 11 years ago). This same process has been duplicated with landowners throughout 162 and 163, which has made it cumbersome for the public and special permit holders to hunt and fill their tags. Not to mention the giant windmill project, which has taken a large portion of land and closed it or limited access. So how does all this relate to Ten Ten Draw. Because of all the things I have spoke about; many people would wait many years to draw a special permit (i.e trophy bull tag). Special tag holders would get excited, up until they got a dose of reality and realized they need written permission to hunt or they are stuck hunting the national forests. Imagine if you wait 10 years to draw a special permit and you don't fill it. Many of those people felt it was due to the limited access and felt let down. Many of these tags were not filled, which is a waste of the game departments time to even issue them if hunters are not given much of a chance to fill them. They created the Ten Ten, so people that had access to the private land would apply; thus giving them a good chance of filling the tag and making worth while for the game department to issue them. It also generates money for the game department. The more special hunts they create, the more money they generate because people will be more opt to buy a permit

[Maximus4252626]

application and apply. Lastly, their is a polital element involved. Any landowner that submits damage claims to the game department, by law has to open up all or a portion of their land to the public to hunt. Most are happy to let people hunt, as they want the deer and elk removed from their property. Many of the private land owners, whom post their land "no hunting" are given tags (i.e trophy bull, cow, second deer, second elk etc) if they open up all or a portion of their land for special permit holders to hunt. The problem is that this is on an honor system. Many private land owners would gladly accept the special permits, but then deny hunters access. The reason; so they don't have competition on their property when trying to fill the tag (s) that the game department just awarded them as a courtsey. As you can see, it can get very political. Ultimately the land owners have the power, and the game department is forced to bribe, pay, etc for them to open up access. They are also forced to continue to create new special permit hunts and re offer the same special hunts as a way to generate money. With that comes alot of pissed off hunters, whom feel they got burned for applying and not having much of a fair opprotunity to fill their tag.