got a lot of nerve? # of posts vs advice

[bearpaw]

I think hunters should help each other when possible and it's up to each person on here if they want to offer advice or not. I don't really like slamming someone for asking. On the other hand, if you do ask for help you are well advised to do it with respect and tactfulness because you are asking someone to give up some info they have invested time and money in learning.

How can we expect our sport to survive if we do not welcome newcomers? 

[pianoman9701]

I think hunters should help each other when possible and it's up to each person on here if they want to offer advice or not. I don't really like slamming someone for asking. On the other hand, if you do ask for help you are well advised to do it with respect and tactfulness because you are asking someone to give up some info they have invested time and money in learning.

How can we expect our sport to survive if we do not welcome newcomers? 

All for one,...

[CedarPants]

Amen to that bearpaw.

[CavemantheHunter]

After reading this thread and some of the anger that Adam has posted, I felt I needed to state where I'm coming from. I am new to this site and know that I am one of those that Adam is calling a newcomer and wanting free advice. I've been putting in for the Toutle Bull Permit for 9 years, because I knew it was a good area and a great chance at getting a bull. However, during those nine years I have not spent time scouting an area that I was hoping to get drawn in, but rather the areas I knew I'd be hunting in during the regular seasons. This will be the first time I have hunted the Toutle area, but like I said earlier, I have hunted many other areas including Winston, Willapa, Coweeman, Louis River, Boistfort, Ryderwood, Skookumchuck and all over the Eastside for deer.

I would have been on this site long ago if I had ever heard of it. The only reason I found it was because after being notified that I was drawn for my bull tag, I started googling areas to get maps for the Toutle area and some of these discussion threads popped up. Of course I read them and saw that they were full of my people giving support and good advice to each other. I was excited to join and hopefully can give advice and get advice now for years to come. My point - I would have never found this site if I was not doing research for my upcoming permit hunt. And to say that it was disrespectful for me to ask for advice right after signing up to this site is complete bs. Should I have went to all of the discussion threads and posted 100 comments before having the nerve to ask for some advice. Anyway, in your world this site is a closed group and should not grow and allow new people to come and feel comfortable posting. I have gotten some great advice and talked to some genuine people and great hunters here and I look forward to doing that for a long time. Both on the giving and receiving end of advice.

[pianoman9701]

Keep asking, Caveman. Most are not bothered. 

[farmin4u_98948]

( writing with Nigerian accent)  Send me 1000.00 us dollars western union and i will give you exact direction to find elk in your state. Because I am an honorable man.

[CavemantheHunter]

Thanks pianoman, I appreciate it. Now that I am a member, I will be going on this site daily and hope to be able to give advice to those that ask as well.

[bucklucky]

I once made a comment to a newbee that with his first post was asking for help, I think at the time I had like 2,000 or so posts. I started to get a mindset that newbees should not sign up just to ask for help. I let him know how I felt. I then  found out that it was a 12 year old boy needing help on a hunt .......... talk about beeing kicked in the nuts. I try to help people via PM when they ask for help now. You usually wont see or hear much about me helping people because it is all through PM. That gave me another outlook on stuff for sure. The more people I can help with info whether it is positive info about a certain area or unit or negative because it is ovver run with people I still try to help out. I like good carma. Helping people is good carma. But understan that I will not lie to people I just tell the truth about what they are asking.

[rasbo]

( writing with Nigerian accent)  Send me 1000.00 us dollars western union and i will give you exact direction to find elk in your state. Because I am an honorable man.

[TheHunt]

Great thread...

One item that has irritated me was that I helped a "Low poster" on his OIL moose hunt.  All I requested was that he email me a photo of his kill.  The story behind it would be nice.  I got NOTHING!!!  I told him were there was 7 camp sites.  How to hunt it? The roads to glass. 

I guess he was too busy cutting up his meat.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I once made a comment to a newbee that with his first post was asking for help, I think at the time I had like 2,000 or so posts. I started to get a mindset that newbees should not sign up just to ask for help. I let him know how I felt. I then  found out that it was a 12 year old boy needing help on a hunt .......... talk about beeing kicked in the nuts. I try to help people via PM when they ask for help now. You usually wont see or hear much about me helping people because it is all through PM. That gave me another outlook on stuff for sure. The more people I can help with info whether it is positive info about a certain area or unit or negative because it is ovver run with people I still try to help out. I like good carma. Helping people is good carma. But understan that I will not lie to people I just tell the truth about what they are asking.

Ouch ..bet that hurt ....

[HoofsandWings]

Great thread...
One item that has irritated me was that I helped a "Low poster" on his OIL moose hunt.  All I requested was that he email me a photo of his kill.  The story behind it would be nice.  I got NOTHING!!!  I told him were there was 7 camp sites.  How to hunt it? The roads to glass. 
I guess he was too busy cutting up his meat.

Did he respond to your PM? I have found that some of the users of this site don't look for PM's or look very rarely.
I gave some advice for Toutle once and the guy did not read the PM until after the season.

[MADMAX]

I will try and help whoever in regards to what info I can especially on limited draw areas.
Isn't that what its all about really ?
I have been given good info from guys on here and have done the same and payed it fwd.
I have met a couple of you and the folks I have met were stand up guys.
Also, guys I have spoken to on th phone were more than helpful.
I think its the way it should be, no-one ever helped me when I came out here from Boston and learned to hunt elk.
I have helped many folks since those early years and enjoy doing so.

[cem3434]

Honestly, I joined this site after I was drawn for a permit last year.  Some people were very eager to help and others were not.  I tried to be courteous and respectful when obtaining information to help me with my hunt.  I also tried to help other people with knowledge that I had of certain areas as well when I first joined.

Fastforward one year and I am helping guys that got drawn for the permit that I had last year.  I have helped guys that don't have very many posts as well as people who have hundreds/thousands of posts.  To me its all about the way they ask for information. Some guys contacted me before putting in for a permit because they seen that I was drawn that permit last year, so I was more inclined to give them more information.

I think that the site should be changed where you cant post under the general forum until you post an introduction of yourself, but that is probably pretty cumbersome for the mods on this site.  I too hate the people who's first post is, I got drawn for a permit and I want somebody to tell me where to find an animal.

The bottomline is, the forum is open to everyone and you can either choose to help someone or decline to. It's up to you!

[PolarBear]

A couple years ago I got a PM from a guy wanting some hunting advise for whitetails out of Republic for him and his young son.  He had just joined the site to get info.  He gave me a sob story about wanting to get a good buck for his son's first deer.  I gave him directions to an old honey hole, camp spot, the whole works just on the promise that they keep it to themselves and if they got anything let me know and send pics.  I never heard another word from them and they left the site as fast as they got on here.  It turns out that my buddy went up to check on them at their camp to see how they were doing and they each had a 130-150 class buck hanging on opening day.  My buddy talked to them for a while and found out that they got them in exactly where I told them to go.  The next year they had 11 people in their camp and all of them were hunting the area that I told them about.  This same thing happened when I told a guy about a spot in the Mt. Adams wilderness where we have taken some dandy benchlegs.  I will never again give out specifics to another newbie.  There are a couple of longtimers on her that I wouldn't hesitate to help but unless you have been on here a while and I have a good feel of whether you are trustworthy or not, not gonna happen.