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Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« on: June 09, 2008, 06:35:54 AM »
Well here we go. Let's see... If someone was going to shoot someone do you think that they would ever think twice about a stupid gun ban? This Nickels guy is just retarded like most politicians.

Now if they pass such a bill then everyone in the parks becomes free game for the crooks because they know their victims will be unarmed.



http://q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-060708-gun,0,7618781.story

Nickels To Announce New Gun Ban
Folklife Festival Shooting Led To Ban

June 7, 2008

Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels will announce tough new gun laws Monday that will include a ban on guns at outdoor festivals.

On May 25 two people were wounded by stray gunfire at the Folklife Festival at the Seattle Center and a third person suffered powder burns.

A 22-year old Snohomish man has been charged with second-degree assault. Prosecutors say he has a history of drug addiction and mental illness but had a permit to carry a concealed weapon - something in violation of federal and state law.

Mayor Greg Nickels criticized the state legislature, saying it won't let the city adopt a gun law stronger than state law, and won't pass a law making it illegal for someone who has been committed to a state mental institutionto get a gun permit.

Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske is scheduled to join the mayor Monday for announcement of new gun regulations.
Copyright © 2008, KCPQ


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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2008, 06:44:57 AM »
It seems like there is a lapse in this case if you have a guy with mental illness and drug addiction with a concealed weapons permit. Your right in that the crooks will start or continue packing in the parks then as they don't care if they get caught. Sad state of affairs
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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 07:48:41 PM »
Nickels and Kerlikowske  are two liberals in the same sand box. Kerlikowske is a poor chief of police in my opinion, but then I'm not a liberal. What does the rank and file think of Kerlikowske? How many police are against the 2nd amendment? I personally don't know one officer that ever says they are against the 2nd amendment, but I'm sure there are some out there.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2008, 07:54:25 PM »
I just read this. He acts like pro gun people issued the concealed weapons permit...when in fact it was the FBI and ATF...

F'in genious....lets start flooding the mayors office with emails/calls.


http://www.seattle.gov/mayor/contact.htm

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2008, 08:24:56 PM »
Here was my letter...




Dear Mayor Nickels,

I am writing you to inform you that I believe your new proposed gun ban on city parks is wrong. I believe it will miss the real mark in the war on crime. In addition to that I believe it will also leave no room for personal protection for people who have decided to defend themselves and their families.

The facts as a common citizen are this. The police have never amounted to anything more than a reactionary force to crime and violence of any kind. They are simply incapable of protecting each and every individual within the boundaries of any district at any given moment. Gun bans have been proven ineffective at preventing crime time and again. In England now that they have a gun ban crime rates with guns are at an all time high. Only the crooks have guns and they are fully aware they their prey is unarmed since the government has taken it upon themselves to tell the society that they are not at risk and are generally safe.

Firt of all... anyone who has the mal intent to conduct a shooting or other gross violent crime is not going to think twice about a less than enforceable gun ban. They will carry out any of their crimes any time they want. Human beings are not robotic drones capable of being controlled at any person's whim. Therefore I believe a gun ban would not be an effective or accurate response to fighting crime in Seattle City parks.

As a responsible and good citizen I have to inform you that this sort of knee jerk response to the media in a moment of passion comes across as a clever ploy to gain media attention while smoke screening the real problem. Someone from the FBI should not have issued the gentleman in this situation a permit to carry. Nevertheless... even if he did not have a permit he was obviously a crook anyway and probably should have been behind bars.

The real problems I see on everyday television are always littered with people who should never been let out to begin with. The judicial system in this state and in the United States is a true joke. The criminals play the system like a fiddle and serve little time while the bureacracies attempt to label them reformed in whatever manner they can. There are entire industries devoted to letting crooks get off easy and they are usually sponsored or otherwise recognized by the state or federal government. It's all a scam to me.

At any rate the best action a Mayor could take is to let the citizens know that they may sometimes need to defend themselves and be openly clear that sometimes police cannot be there at the exact moment they are needed the most. Don't forget how the gun bans in Washington D.C. has proven that their city is one of the most crime riddled cities in the world. If it was working they would not have citizens jumping up and down about their 2nd Amendment rights which have been revoked and which is under scrutiny by our US Supreme Court.

In the end if you are successful banning guns in your city parks I will feel less safe and not go to those places. I also do not feel that your cameras make anyone safe either. They just capture the crimes on tape.

Don't lose touch with reality and make the wrong decisions. There is a real reason why there is a 2nd Amendment and there is a real reason for concealed carry laws. It's not just so a bunch of gun nuts can feel like they are macho.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 08:48:21 PM »
Well crafted and logical letter, Ray.  Unfortunately, Nickels doesn't respond to any semblance of logic.  All of his proposed solutions for Seattle issues have been made while on hallucinogenics. (tunnel, sonics, trolley, etc)   I live a few blocks from him and he hasn't done a single positive thing to help out his own neighborhood, let alone Seattle. 

A well crafted, intelligent letter would only confuse him.

You'd only get a crazier answer from Ron Sims...
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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 07:12:11 AM »
Every time I hear common sense gun law restrictions I hear "if you disagree you have no common sense and are stupid".


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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008136296_gunfree25m.html

Seattle holds off on gun restrictions

By Sharon Pian Chan
Seattle Times staff reporter
As summer began, Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels said he was taking steps to prohibit guns on all city-owned property after three people were injured in a shooting at Seattle Center's Northwest Folklife festival.

But as the Center's summer festival season concludes with Bumbershoot this weekend, no prohibition has taken effect.

"It's very complex. The city owns numerous properties citywide and in some areas outside of the city," said Regina LaBelle, legal counsel for the mayor. "We are going through all of those properties and developing a legally defensible rule."

In the state Legislature, representatives and senators have asked state Attorney General Rob McKenna to issue an informal legal opinion on whether state law pre-empts Nickels' executive order. That opinion may be ready by the end of September.

McKenna's office says such nonbinding opinions have historically been given great weight by the courts.

Also, the Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, both based in Bellevue, have notified Nickels they intend to mount a legal challenge to the executive order.

On Memorial Day weekend, Clinton Chad Grainger, a Snohomish man with a history of drug addiction and schizophrenia, fired a gun during a fight at the music festival, wounding three other people. Grainger, who this month pleaded guilty to two counts of third-degree assault, had a concealed-weapon permit.

Two weeks after the shooting, Nickels signed an executive order directing city departments to report back within 30 days with a plan on how to make city facilities — parks, Seattle Center, community centers, buildings — gun free. They have reported back, and the mayor's office is now drafting an administrative rule.

The mayor said the city eventually would post signs prohibiting guns, which has yet to happen. The city wouldn't be able to arrest people for violating the policy, but it could charge violators with trespassing. Law-enforcement officials would be exempt.

Many immediately questioned whether the city could pre-empt state law governing firearms. In Washington state, cities cannot go beyond state law restricting firearms.

Nickels believes the door for exceptions was opened by a 2006 state Supreme Court ruling case involving the city of Sequim. The court ruled that Sequim could regulate gun sales at a show held at a city-owned miniconvention center.

State Rep. Kevin Van De Wege, D-Sequim, is one of the legislators requesting the opinion from the attorney general.

"It's not like we're picking at Seattle, but I think we would have numerous jurisdictions having numerous different rules and it would create great confusion," he said.

In his district, Van De Wege said, the city of Montesano in Grays Harbor County tried to pass a local law restricting firearms, which was vetoed by the mayor there.

LaBelle said the city plans to hold a public hearing on the issue, but no date has been set.

"We're trying to ensure the safety of the residents of the city and visitors to the city," she said. "We're taking what we believe are common-sense steps to do that."


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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2008, 07:40:26 AM »
I just read this. He acts like pro gun people issued the concealed weapons permit...when in fact it was the FBI and ATF...

F'in genious....lets start flooding the mayors office with emails/calls.


http://www.seattle.gov/mayor/contact.htm
:yeah:  That communist got an email from me a couple days ago.  :stup:

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2008, 07:51:06 AM »
Let's ban the Folklife Festival if those kind of folks are going to show up. :chuckle: :P

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 08:09:25 AM »
They should ban the hempfest. Nickels is a retard.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 10:48:51 PM »
Mayor Nickels is trying to get rid of dumpsters in Seattle now. :dunno: Does this moron ever quit??????  :bash: :bash: :bash:
He says they smell bad.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/377149_dumpsters30.html

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 11:25:24 PM »
Maybe he'll figure out he needs to rid Seattle of himself because he is too overweight and contributes to too much environmental waste. That extra weight uses more gas in his car and his body produces too much human waste for Seattle too. I think he also is an oxygen thief.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 11:29:33 PM »
Apparently he tries to store up as much of that human waste as he can between them ears of his.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 11:35:42 PM »
 :jacked: To add my  :twocents: to the drift...

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Mayor Nickels is trying to get rid of dumpsters in Seattle now. Dunno Does this moron ever quit?Huh???  Bash Bash Bash
He says they smell bad.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/377149_dumpsters30.html

2 days a week my security route takes me through many of Seattle's stinkiest alleys, wondering what's behind the next dumpster....But the Cleanscape practice of bagging everything??  guess what gets riped open and scattered everywhere? The rats,herds of'em,crows and coons spread it everywhere...

I don't think his Gun Ban will come to be. To many challenges. Just a knee jerk reaction to try and look good. this jerk wants nothing more than to be famous...
« Last Edit: September 27, 2008, 01:21:11 PM by MikeWalking »

 


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