Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World

[teanawayslayer]

These people should have fund set up for thier defense.

What if they are guilty?

we should put one together for them!!

[Okano-gun]

I wonder how they pled on the non wolf charges? Bill White already pled guilty in Canada to poaching a moose and illegal export of the moose and a whitetail into the U.S. (the charges the cannucks hung on him).

As I suspected this is completely false.  Please don't spread false rumors about folks.

I have no reason to spread false rumors. This is not false, a very credible enforcement officer told me this. It will all come out in the wash.

[pianoman9701]

These people should have fund set up for thier defense.

What if they are guilty?

we should put one together for them!!

Sorry, if what's been charged against them is true, including the poaching in Canada, I have no interest in helping poachers. The wolf pelt mailings are perhaps the stupidest acts someone could have committed, especially with all the bad press we hunters are getting on this issue. They've made it exponentially more difficult for us in the eyes of a vast majority of WA voters who don't hunt.

[Heartsblood]

Sorry, if what's been charged against them is true, including the poaching in Canada, I have no interest in helping poachers. The wolf pelt mailings are perhaps the stupidest acts someone could have committed, especially with all the bad press we hunters are getting on this issue. They've made it exponentially more difficult for us in the eyes of a vast majority of WA voters who don't hunt.

  Agreed. This does not help the perception that non-hunters already often have of us.

Even if the Whites honestly thought they were coyotes or whatever (which seems dubious), if I take a wild Steelhead from the wrong river because I thought it was a hatchery fish, if I shoot a two-point when it's 3 points or better, if I shoot a Jenny in the spring, it's my fault. Period. Know your target and know your regs. Especially if it looks somehow similar to an animal that's on an endagered list....

But yes, the so called "bloody package" was an epic fail of intelligence. That's really gotta put hunters in a good light.....

Still, to rush in to support them for their actions seems like it could only send a message to those that already have a problem with hunters. It might convey a message like - "We don't care if the law was broken. We should be allowed to hunt anything we want, whenever we want! And we support those who do!"

I dunno about that stance....it seems a slippery slope. I think we need to have solidarity as a community. But I believ that solidarity needs to lean heavily towards the responsibilty side of things, not the other way around.

My buck fiddy.

[Machias]

I wonder how they pled on the non wolf charges? Bill White already pled guilty in Canada to poaching a moose and illegal export of the moose and a whitetail into the U.S. (the charges the cannucks hung on him).

As I suspected this is completely false.  Please don't spread false rumors about folks.

I have no reason to spread false rumors. This is not false, a very credible enforcement officer told me this. It will all come out in the wash.

That's funny, they must not have told the White's.  I know for a FACT they have not plead guilty to anything, your LEO friend is full of *censored*.

[jackelope]

I wonder how they pled on the non wolf charges? Bill White already pled guilty in Canada to poaching a moose and illegal export of the moose and a whitetail into the U.S. (the charges the cannucks hung on him).

As I suspected this is completely false.  Please don't spread false rumors about folks.

Fred...
Did you read the pdf of the White's indictment that's attached to one of the prior posts?
Counts 8,9,10 and 11....

[Machias]

Nope, where is it?

[jackelope]

Nope, where is it?

Reply #11. I tried to copy and paste the text but I can't seem to figure it out.

[Machias]

Ok, I read it, the White's have NOT plead guilty to anything, they have been offered a plea deal, but have not taken it, so sorry but I stand by my above statement.  They have NOT plead guilty to anything.....will they, I don't know.  But at this time they are innocent until proven guilty.  It wouldn't be the first time a prosecution piled on every charge they could come up with.  Doesn't mean they will be convicted.  I don't know the son or the daughter in law at all, never met them.  I have met the father a few years ago, super nice man.  I took him a bluetick pup from NW MT.  I'm not going to jump on the band wagon and throw them under the bus until and as such time they are found guilty or plead guilty.  But to come on here and tell folks that they have plead guilty is wrong, the man got bad information from his LEO friend.

[jackelope]

Certainly can't disagree with that...
 

[Goomsba]

That's funny, they must not have told the White's.  I know for a FACT they have not plead guilty to anything, your LEO friend is full of *censored*.

Having going up in the Methow that statement has a lot of truth to it. I' know the White's,  Bill was my hunters ed instructor. I also took some class's he taught in high school in Methow Valley as a classroom. But I'll hold my judgment till the dust settles..

[danderson]

One thing that bothers me on this whole bloody package story  is that  hides dont have any blood on them, at least any hides that I have ever seen, that story doesnt pass the smell test.

[bearpaw]

Machias makes a good point, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Anyone in law enforcement or anyone who has had experience with law enforcement knows that Law Enforcement will add any additional charge possible to try and build a stronger case. All you guys who are officers or know officers, we all know that is how it works.

I don't know any of the details about the case against Whites, only what I have read like the rest of you. But, what if the Whites found those wolves dead along the highway or what if they found them dead from some other cause? Shipping a dead wolf that was found dead is a lot different than shooting a wolf and shipping it. What if they were protecting livestock, many ranchers don't even know you can't shoot wolves that are attacking your livestock. Then because the Whites didn't want to see the hides go to waste they decided to ship them to Canada. What if those wolves were killed in Canada on a previous moose hunt and they just decided to have them tanned? I'm not saying that any of this happened, but they are certainly possibilities.

I really have no idea what happened, but there is a reason our system was set up so that you are innocent until proven guilty. I knew the Whites years ago when they lived near Colville. The father is the nicest guy you would ever want to meet, the kids were young but well mannered, the family was respected and they were the family that everyone wants next door for neighbors.

I have heard about the other alledged charges, but unless you know all the facts, those could just be drummed up charges to make the Whites look bad. Remember the OJ case, the cops wanted him so bad they faked the evidence. The feds (BATF) was recently caught allowing firearms to be sold to Mexican drug cartels. That may not have ever surfaced if some of the same guns weren't used to kill a border agent. The USFWS stold millions from the Pittman/Robertson fund and that money was used to introduce wolves in Idaho, that would not have been exposed if it wasn't for Jim Beers sacrificing his job to testify before congress. In Idaho, the F&G illegally signed a deal with the USFWS to introduce those wolves after the state legislature voted against allowing wolves to be introduced. There has been a lot of questionable and outright illegal actions taken by government agencies to put wolves in the NW.

Right now the state of Washington is using every means to make it sound like more wolves are needed in Washington. I think the right people and the media would readily hype up the case against the Whites to further their cause of getting more wolves in Washington. Bottom line, until the facts are proven in court, the Whites are innocent. I will be honest too, I hope they are innocent because they are good people as far as I have ever known.

One thing that bothers me on this whole bloody package story is that hides dont have any blood on them, at least any hides that I have ever seen, that story doesnt pass the smell test.

Good point danderson, I would agree, a coyote skin doesn't bleed all over, a body bleeds but skins do not, I have handled plenty of coyote and many other skins so I know this to be a fact. So I have serious doubts about the truthfulness of the alledged bleeding evidence, that does not sound right at all. 

[jackelope]

Mr. White has a whole lot of things going against him right now. I'm with everyone else re: innocent till proven guilty, but man, things do not look good for this guy and his family.

Whether there was blood dripping from a box or just a blood stained box... There doesn't seem to be any debating the fact that he tried to ship a wolf and/or wolf parts to Canada.
More media and I know that not everything in the media is true...but man, these guys have got a lot of bad following them around. There's a photo claiming it is one of the White's with a dead wolf.

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/a-pattern-of-behavior-in-white-wolf-case/

[Special T]

If the Whites are otherwise good people I feel soory for them. It does prove the point tho that an otherwise honest person doesn't make a very good criminal... In for a penny in for a pound... I do my best to stay on the right side of the law for 2 reasons... I'm a horible lier, and my mind doesn't think like a hardend profesional criminal...