Tribe's position on wolves and sealions

[Curly]

The antelope thread got me thinking about what the tribes think about the sealion problem on the columbia river and the upcoming problem of wolves in this State. 

It's no secret that the tribe has an image problem with non-native sportsmen in this state; so why doesn't the tribe take a public position on wolves more in line with what the sportsmen of this state would like to see?

And along those same lines, why can't native Americans go take care of the overpopulation problem of Sealions below Bonneville?  I realize sealions are federally protected but so are whales and they got the feds to go along with killing whales?  Seems like they could at least lobby to do something.

If they could kill wolves and sealions, they would become heroes in the eyes of many sportsmen.  They may get some flack from the wolf and sealion huggers, but those people have a soft spot for native Americans anyway..........

I just figure that if they can release antelope without consent of WDFW, then why not do other things that will help out wildlife, even if the feds and State don't like it?

[bobcat]

You must not have seen this:

Good point costal, that was the point I was making, I just get caught up and a little upset at hunters that abuse the system, native or not.  I do have one question and maybe it has been addressed already on this site.  Are the Natives allowed to hunt wolves in Washington or in other states?  That would at least be some help to keep them in check.
 

 I know I'm 9 hours late but some of us that have to get up early with kids have an early bed time.  Since Coastal gave a good legal answer I'm just going to say at least for us, the Yakama's we don't hunt wolves and if I see somebody with a wolf you bet your A$$ I'm going to gather the intel and report them ASAP.  The wolf is a revered animal here to those that still follow the teachings of their elders and it is one to be respected.
 
 If the Tribe ever does manage the wolf population that I know is up there near Mt. Adams and they along with the State and Feds admit it then they would more than likely let our Wildlife Managers handle the control and management of the packs.
 
 And Sebek, I wasn't placing either one of you in the same boat just responding to the 1st post by "get one leakin" and his post contained your post so you were kind of a victim of crossfire, sorry.
 
 If you have any other questions then ask away.
 

[CAMPMEAT]

The tribes have their own laws and as far as I know, and don't have to follow any whiteman laws. Sovereign nation, remember.

[bobcat]

Seems that I remember a member of the Yakama tribe getting busted recently for killing bald eagles. So apparently they do have to follow some of our laws.

[CAMPMEAT]

Seems that I remember a member of the Yakama tribe getting busted recently for killing bald eagles. So apparently they do have to follow some of our laws.

The tribal courts punish members, so I bet he got slapped on the wrist and is still gonna do it if he feels like it.

[buckfvr]

From what I understand, tribal members can posses, even take eagles, but are governed by tribal law that makes it for ceremonial purposes only, and they can not kill for trading and or selling whole or part.  Thats an unofficial gist of it , as told by a tribal member that I knew some time ago.   He also told me they could protect their gill nets from sea lions to include shooting them, at the time he told me they were supposed to report  activities to the tribe.  Like I said, been awhile ago, so just something to chew.............

[bearpaw]

Each tribe has its own customs and not all tribes revere the wolf. I have been told by an inside source that the Colville Tribe does not want large numbers of wolves, tribal members depend on deer and elk to feed their families so they do not want large numbers of wolves.

The tribes can legally manage wolves that have been federally delisted (such as the eastern 1/3 of Washington).

I was told by another inside source that the Colville tribe met with WDFW and notified them that they plan to manage wolves on the Colville Reservation and on the northern half where thay can also hunt which includes parts of Stevens, Ferry, and Okanogan counties. I was also told that the Ferry County commissioners were going to attend the meeting and planned to fully support the tribe in managing wolves on the reservation and on the northern half.   

So if all that is true, and my sources were reliable persons who are involved in tribal and county government, then I assume the tribe will have to prepare their own management plan and submit it for federal approval before management can begin.

[boneaddict]

It specifically states in the Colville regs wolves are protected, though speak with some of its members that ALWAYS have a gun in the rack and they will tell you they will kill them on site.

[C-Money]

It specifically states in the Colville regs wolves are protected, though speak with some of its members that ALWAYS have a gun in the rack and they will tell you they will kill them on site.

GOOD!

[Little Red Wagon]

i would love to get ride of those dang sealions... if they give me the green light i will take them out....
i belive the tribes r working with the feds on a salution to the sealion problem in those areas...

[turbo]

It specifically states in the Colville regs wolves are protected, though speak with some of its members that ALWAYS have a gun in the rack and they will tell you they will kill them on site.

Finally, something I can agree with.

[runamuk]

historically the makah tribe hunted sealion seals and whales and I believe they are the only tribe that has retained the rights through their treaties, just not sure why they havent exercised their rights with the sealions I asked the question in my Native Peoples class and no one really had an answer why they havent pursued it 

[bobcat]

Maybe they're like most people and just think sea lions are too cute to kill.   

[seth30]

Maybe they're like most people and just think sea lions are too cute to kill.   

[JimmyHoffa]

Maybe they're like most people and just think sea lions are too cute to kill.   

Once they've smelled one, that will probably go away.

[Special T]

This question has already been answered by Coastal Native...  All the Federal protected stuff still aplies to them... they do have more manuvering room tho than we do...

[Yak-NDN]

To my understanding wolves are not under Federal protection? If that is the fact than they are only state protected and I am not trying to rub you all wrong but the state has little to no say on Tribal issues. Most Yakama's that see a wolf well be taking the shot. Federal laws apply and State not so much.

[runamuk]

To my understanding wolves are not under Federal protection? If that is the fact than they are only state protected and I am not trying to rub you all wrong but the state has little to no say on Tribal issues. Most Yakama's that see a wolf well be taking the shot. Federal laws apply and State not so much.

endangered species are under federal jurisdiction which is why states have such a rough go of delisting...so yes indeed they are protected like bald eagles and any other federally protected species....

[Curly]

To my understanding wolves are not under Federal protection? If that is the fact than they are only state protected and I am not trying to rub you all wrong but the state has little to no say on Tribal issues. Most Yakama's that see a wolf well be taking the shot. Federal laws apply and State not so much.

endangered species are under federal jurisdiction which is why states have such a rough go of delisting...so yes indeed they are protected like bald eagles and any other federally protected species....

Shhhhh.......don't tell them that.  We need all the help we can get in ridding wolves in this state.  Seems like the tribes could help out.....

[PlateauNDN]

Wolves and Sea Lions are still under Fed Protection and in such cases they prosecute Federally not Tribally.  The gentleman that was caught poaching the Bald Eagles had an accomplice and he was given Federal Prison time in Northern California and I'm not sure as to the accomplice on how much time he got.  The family of the young man  drove him down to California to start serving his sentence and since he was not a flight risk and has cooperated with the Feds through the whole investigation I believe that was the only reason he was allowed to do such.

Bald Eagles are Fed Protected and we cannot kill them only possess them.  Again, we still have to follow Federal Guidelines and the Yakama Nation has tried exterminating the Sea Lions and the biggest groups against the Lethal removal has been the Tree Huggers, Conservation Groups and etc.  It's a battle still taking place in Federal Court and I would love to see the Sea Lions go away.

Any other questions don't hesitate to ask.

[Curly]

Plateau, has the tribe combined forces with WDFW and Oregon F&W to get something accomplished about removal of sealions? 

[PlateauNDN]

I believe they have and the ones that are holding it up in court are the Conservation Groups.  They continue to fight it stating the Sea Lions don't have an impact quite as large as the fishing industry and the Dams and that is what keeps holding this up in court.  The last time I inquired about this they were supposed to be conducting another study as to the environmental impact of the Sea Lions on salmon runs along the Columbia.

And last time I checked none of the non-lethal tactics to scare them away were working and relocation has proved to be useless because they eventually made their way back up the coastline back to the Columbia and the Dams.

Again, the Tribe has tried to deal with it themselves but due to Federal Protection they still have to seek permission and if the Tribe had its way they would've used lethal tactics long time ago.

[gaddy]

last i heard the sea lions were also targeting the stergeon, could this be a way in to help with the removal of the sea lions ? not strictly a salmon issue but a general fisheries issue ?

[Yak-NDN]

Warning Warning   Lost wolf cross dog's (DOG'S)    I lost my wolf cross dogs in WA State. I have bread these dogs to be extremely aggressive when I was traveling the crest trail from OR north They got away so please kill on sight. Yes kill on site. I lost six breading pairs.

[BOWHUNTER45]

WTF....YOU LOST SIX BREEDING PAIR..? SO you just took a hike with 6 pair of dogs and they got away .... Well you do not want to hear what I have to think about this !!!!!!   >:(Grrrrrrrrrrr.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Warning Warning   Lost wolf cross dog's (DOG'S)    I lost my wolf cross dogs in WA State. I have bread these dogs to be extremely aggressive when I was traveling the crest trail from OR north They got away so please kill on sight. Yes kill on site. I lost six breading pairs.

dude whatever your smokin please send some my way 

[6x6in6]

I think he's pushing to hit the breeding pair quota. 

[Bustyn]

Warning Warning   Lost wolf cross dog's (DOG'S)    I lost my wolf cross dogs in WA State. I have bread these dogs to be extremely aggressive when I was traveling the crest trail from OR north They got away so please kill on sight. Yes kill on site. I lost six breading pairs.

dude whatever your smokin please send some my way 

Something tells me you missed the subtle nuance of his post.

I for one would be happy to assist this gentleman in locating and eliminating his extremely aggressive breeding pairs of dogs that look EXACTLY like wolves.  Unfortunately there's that pesky prison time problem, and I have an issue with losing those hunting privileges that I so treasure.

[Knocker of rocks]

Something tells me you missed the subtle nuance of his post.

 

Its called "irony"

[FC]

Something tells me you missed the subtle nuance of his post.

 

Its called "irony"

Too bad too, that was actually pretty funny!

[Yak-NDN]

Warning Warning   Lost wolf cross dog's (DOG'S)    I lost my wolf cross dogs in WA State. I have bread these dogs to be extremely aggressive when I was traveling the crest trail from OR north They got away so please kill on sight. Yes kill on site. I lost six breading pairs.

dude whatever your smokin please send some my way 

  Is this guy for real? lol