Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots

[PlateauNDN]

PlateauNDN,

I think that the Westy boat fisherman will do their usually anti-indian stuff as to the platforms. But the people who live down there and sturgeon fish from shore are not going to just accept this. It is unfair to deny everyone access year round. That is to much a public area. If YAKNDN is right I don't think it will be as much an issue, if he is wrong I don't think they will stand or there will be a lot of drama with people who don't just use it for a vacation spot, they live there. 

Yes it is unfair and I'm sure things will continue to happen down there.  Some up at Icicle will let anybody fish on them but the second you piss them off or try to claim it they will kick you off.  It might be different down on the Columbia, but I don't know for sure because I've not fished down there via scaffold.

PLATEAU.......This is a BS statement! Either you have never actually fished the Icicle, know anything about it, or just misinformed.....where the platforms are set up on the Icicle is directly outside the Leavenworth National Fish Hatchery......Americans can only fish 400' below the hatchery! That goes for every species and any time of the year. At NO time does a tribal member allow Americans on there platforms to fish.....because there are no seasons there for us.....so the gamies and tribal cops would eat us alive for it....

BS?  HHmmm....well then if its BS then maybe I should take the post down I put in this fishing section about getting some fishing time in finally!  And maybe I should erase the comments and pics I posted of my children catching their first salmon because you say its BS.  Well thanks for the comment and next time I'll be sure to leave my BS posts off of here because you said.

Oh and the attached picture could not be from Icicle either because that would be completely BS that I've fished there.

[TheHunt]

FC,
You have not said one thing that I would disagree with... 

[FC]

BS?  HHmmm....well then if its BS then maybe I should take the post down I put in this fishing section about getting some fishing time in finally!  And maybe I should erase the comments and pics I posted of my children catching their first salmon because you say its BS.  Well thanks for the comment and next time I'll be sure to leave my BS posts off of here because you said.

Oh and the attached picture could not be from Icicle either because that would be completely BS that I've fished there.

I think he was pointing more toward the idea that the platforms are above the general no fishing line and so couldn't be shared with all.

[remington300mag]

PlateauNDN,

I think that the Westy boat fisherman will do their usually anti-indian stuff as to the platforms. But the people who live down there and sturgeon fish from shore are not going to just accept this. It is unfair to deny everyone access year round. That is to much a public area. If YAKNDN is right I don't think it will be as much an issue, if he is wrong I don't think they will stand or there will be a lot of drama with people who don't just use it for a vacation spot, they live there. 

Yes it is unfair and I'm sure things will continue to happen down there.  Some up at Icicle will let anybody fish on them but the second you piss them off or try to claim it they will kick you off.  It might be different down on the Columbia, but I don't know for sure because I've not fished down there via scaffold.

PLATEAU.......This is a BS statement! Either you have never actually fished the Icicle, know anything about it, or just misinformed.....where the platforms are set up on the Icicle is directly outside the Leavenworth National Fish Hatchery......Americans can only fish 400' below the hatchery! That goes for every species and any time of the year. At NO time does a tribal member allow Americans on there platforms to fish.....because there are no seasons there for us.....so the gamies and tribal cops would eat us alive for it....

BS?  HHmmm....well then if its BS then maybe I should take the post down I put in this fishing section about getting some fishing time in finally!  And maybe I should erase the comments and pics I posted of my children catching their first salmon because you say its BS.  Well thanks for the comment and next time I'll be sure to leave my BS posts off of here because you said.

Oh and the attached picture could not be from Icicle either because that would be completely BS that I've fished there.

I stick to my comment! Fact is Plateau....The tribe does not let "Anyone" fish off there platforms on the Icicle.....and if you are going to sit there and say that is your stand....then yes I will call BS! And if anyone on here wants to say they believe your statement.....then we will just have to have them show up on any given day during the spring Chinook season....walk up onto the platforms and start fishing...and see what happens to them!! First off, it is illegal for any WHITE man to fish within' 400' for the hatchery.....second, a WHITE man walking up the bank from the boat launch parking area is immediately approached by tribesman as asked what they want, then normally asked how much they want to buy fish for, they are not welcomed there with open arms....oh, that is after wading through the mounds of trash to get there! I was born and raised on that river, in the town it runs through..... This is the way it is.....and the way it has been since they started fishing at the hatchery....
But if you honestly believe they are welcoming White men onto those platforms Plateau.....maybe we could meet up there next year unannounced....get a volunteer to walk up there and start fishing....so you can see what happens......

[remington300mag]

Oh and Plateau,  Ya, that photo was taken on the Icicle....it was taken just down from the White mans boundary line sign. The sign hangs on the tree just to your right hand, on the tree that's branches are coming into the picture......NO White Man is PERMITTED from going above that sign!
Ya know, I can take a picture at a zoo.....but it doesn't make me an expert on Lions!! Just sayin'!!!

[PlateauNDN]

PlateauNDN,

I think that the Westy boat fisherman will do their usually anti-indian stuff as to the platforms. But the people who live down there and sturgeon fish from shore are not going to just accept this. It is unfair to deny everyone access year round. That is to much a public area. If YAKNDN is right I don't think it will be as much an issue, if he is wrong I don't think they will stand or there will be a lot of drama with people who don't just use it for a vacation spot, they live there. 

Yes it is unfair and I'm sure things will continue to happen down there.  Some up at Icicle will let anybody fish on them but the second you piss them off or try to claim it they will kick you off.  It might be different down on the Columbia, but I don't know for sure because I've not fished down there via scaffold.

PLATEAU.......This is a BS statement! Either you have never actually fished the Icicle, know anything about it, or just misinformed.....where the platforms are set up on the Icicle is directly outside the Leavenworth National Fish Hatchery......Americans can only fish 400' below the hatchery! That goes for every species and any time of the year. At NO time does a tribal member allow Americans on there platforms to fish.....because there are no seasons there for us.....so the gamies and tribal cops would eat us alive for it....

BS?  HHmmm....well then if its BS then maybe I should take the post down I put in this fishing section about getting some fishing time in finally!  And maybe I should erase the comments and pics I posted of my children catching their first salmon because you say its BS.  Well thanks for the comment and next time I'll be sure to leave my BS posts off of here because you said.

Oh and the attached picture could not be from Icicle either because that would be completely BS that I've fished there.

I stick to my comment! Fact is Plateau....The tribe does not let "Anyone" fish off there platforms on the Icicle.....and if you are going to sit there and say that is your stand....then yes I will call BS! And if anyone on here wants to say they believe your statement.....then we will just have to have them show up on any given day during the spring Chinook season....walk up onto the platforms and start fishing...and see what happens to them!! First off, it is illegal for any WHITE man to fish within' 400' for the hatchery.....second, a WHITE man walking up the bank from the boat launch parking area is immediately approached by tribesman as asked what they want, then normally asked how much they want to buy fish for, they are not welcomed there with open arms....oh, that is after wading through the mounds of trash to get there! I was born and raised on that river, in the town it runs through..... This is the way it is.....and the way it has been since they started fishing at the hatchery....
But if you honestly believe they are welcoming White men onto those platforms Plateau.....maybe we could meet up there next year unannounced....get a volunteer to walk up there and start fishing....so you can see what happens......

I would love to meet face to face and that offer has been extended to more than a few on here but don't tell anyone because when I made an offer like that before I was attacked for trying to "call people out" or sound tough or whatever else they wanted to say and if you want to meet and its genuine then by all means lets do it. 

As I have said before I'm not trying to intimidate nor threaten and if we plan on meeting it will always be with my wife and kids because I take them everywhere. 

And to correct your post I NEVER said they were MY scaffolds, I said they would allow people to use them as long as you didn't piss them off.  I know the family of one of the scaffolds and they don't care who uses it as long as you don't piss them off and share with others.

Also your comment about the White Man being approached and not welcomed goes the same way for me and my family whenever we are on Ceded Land.  My story in the "elk hunting" section "Goose Prairie Tag" was positive because I made it positive. 

Maybe I should've inserted the portion of the group of back packers that were hollering around at me because I had my rifle slung around my back and I was off the reservation.  You think I want my children to witness this?  No, I don't but as long as they yell around then so be it, but the second I feel any threat towards me or my family you better believe I will do what it takes to protect my family.  Uncle Sam gave me some skills and Law Enforcement honed them and I will use them to defend my wife and children with extreme prejudice against any one that threatens them.  Color or ethnicity does not matter when it comes to my wife and children.

If you seek a civil meet and greet then by all means I'm for it and maybe we can get a better understanding of one another but if you want a complain and whine session then don't bother wasting your time.

[Yak-NDN]

I was told the same thing that they don't care if people fish off the platforms in Drano.

[remington300mag]

Plateau,

Yep, got no problem meeting you.....I live right over here by the Icicle, any time you are over this way, let me know. It would be a great chance to talk about what goes on over here on this little river.....I don't take your post as threatening and am surely not intimidated.
Now, you said you were correcting my post about you owning a scaffold, sorry to say but I just reread my posts and I never said anything like that..... but I do know a few people that do. I will leave last names out of it, but GREG and Aaron for instance. I have known Greg, who fishes the hatchery on the Icicle for the opener through July, with his brothers, wife, kids, cousins....and so on, for the last few years.  They never leave, basically living there in their tents. Even have made runs to Wenatchee to get him suppies. Met Aaron out there as well and have talked hunting and fishing with him a few times! So, believe it or not but I have first hand experience of how it works there.....
It seems to me in your post you start talking about an altercation you had in the woods....then start talking about things like race.....My post didn't have to do with race as much as setting the record straight......You said and I Quote "Some up at Icicle will let anybody fish on them but the second you piss them off or try to claim it they will kick you off"
This statement is untrue.....Now, they may let other tribesmen onto their platforms.....but not a white man.....nor can they let a white man on them....nor could a white man fish off them if he was allowed. There are stories of guys that didn't know the river that weren't even on the platforms but behond the sign that were threatened....yelled at....and had things thrown at them..... Even though I have what I would call friends up there fishing, I have been told that it isn't a good idea to go over unless I call first......but again that isn't what I was getting at..... What I was getting at and the point of me posting was setting the record straight about them allowing "anybody" fish off their platforms...... This simply is not true! Maybe they would if they could....but at this point it does not happen.....
If you would like to talk further Plateau....you can PM me if you like....

SAM

[cannon-master]

ya know i really dont want to ad to the storm but i think its crap they can put them up all over the place in there and to tell you the honest truth 90 percent of those are built in areas that are a foot deep and wont catch any fish off of them so they wont use them at all so they will rot fall into the water and leave an even bigger mess they will treat it like any other place they are given they will turn it into a garbage dump and heaven forbid you pick up there empty beer cans you will be arested for illeagaly taking indian artifacts ive fished there for over thirty years from the bank and the boat and now im afraid i cant fish it anymore from the bank because there is no place to fish without feeling the urge to set them ablaze well i have a lot more to complain about but will leave it for another day

[huntergreg]

ya know i really dont want to ad to the storm but i think its crap they can put them up all over the place in there and to tell you the honest truth 90 percent of those are built in areas that are a foot deep and wont catch any fish off of them so they wont use them at all so they will rot fall into the water and leave an even bigger mess they will treat it like any other place they are given they will turn it into a garbage dump and heaven forbid you pick up there empty beer cans you will be arested for illeagaly taking indian artifacts ive fished there for over thirty years from the bank and the boat and now im afraid i cant fish it anymore from the bank because there is no place to fish without feeling the urge to set them ablaze well i have a lot more to complain about but will leave it for another day

I was told by a sheriff the other night while he was doing boat checks at the dock. He told me that they were not going to do gill netting in Drano anymore. He said they herd all the fish to those scaffolding and they use a 4-5 foot hoop net . All the fish storm into the net trying to get away and they raise it up and unload all the fish into there boats/trucks. I couldn't figure out why they put them in shallow water either until I talked to him.

[Yak-NDN]

The water is deeper in the spring and at night the are in the shallow water. Just info for you.