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Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« on: August 23, 2011, 07:38:00 PM »
Here is an article on the subject.    What are your thoughts????????

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/jul/03/anglers-question-yakama-tribe-fishing-platforms/


COOK, Wash. — Tribal fishermen have built about a dozen platforms off the Columbia River along Drano Lake, a move likely to spark conflict with long-standing non-Indian salmon and steelhead fisheries.

“I’ve never seen Indian platforms here before,’’ said Don Morby of nearby Mill A, a Drano Lake angler for almost five decades. “Will they let me fish off them? I’d love to fish off them.’’

Drano Lake is a large backwater at the mouth of the Little White Salmon River in eastern Skamania County that’s crowded with anglers during peak fish runs.

Chinook return to power a popular sport fishery at Drano, especially in April and May, then again in September.

Summer steelhead dipping into the cool water for a respite from the warmer Columbia fuel a 24-hour-a-day fishery in July, August and early September.

Speros Doulos, manager of the four federal salmon hatcheries in the Columbia Gorge, said the first two platforms were built on Memorial Day weekend. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service owns the land along Drano Lake as part of Little White Salmon hatchery.

The Fish, Wildlife and Law Enforcement Committee of the Yakama Tribal Council on May 31 authorized platform and hook-and-line gear in Drano Lake.

Drano Lake is one of several tributaries fished by the Yakama tribe.

While fishing in the Columbia River is managed by the tribes and non-Indians through the Columbia River Compact process, tribal authorities solely manage Indian fisheries in the tributaries.

The platforms and hook-and-line gear will be closed Tuesday nights and Sundays, according to the tribal committee’s action notice.

Yakama Indian Nation fishery officials have not returned repeated calls from reporters for comment about the platforms.

Stuart Ellis, a fishery scientist for the Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission, said the Yakama catch of spring chinook in Drano has been accomplished via gillnet fishing on Tuesday nights by tribal members issued permits.

A decision has been made to harvest some of the tribal allocation via the platforms instead of gillnets, he said.

While the time and manner of harvest is changing, the overall tribal share is not, Ellis said.

Tribal and non-Indian fishing in the tributaries long has been a collaborative process between the tribes and Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.

The harvest is split 50-50, although Wind River, Drano Lake, the White Salmon River, Klickitat River and Icicle Creek are managed in the aggregate, not individually, he said.

“It’s been year-to-year and area-by-area subject to change to help everybody’s fishery to work smoothly,’’ Ellis said.

The Yakama tribe opened reservation land along the Yakima River this year to sport fishing, an example of how cooperation works, he added.

Nevertheless, construction of the platforms on Drano Lake caught the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife by surprise.

Cindy LeFleur, Columbia River policy coordinator, said she started hearing from sport fishermen in substantial numbers in June. This week, she said she still hasn’t learned more from the Yakamas about the platforms.

“We’re concerned if they are taking over the bank fishing,’’ LeFleur said. “We don’t have that much up there.’’

Asked if non-Indians can fish off the platforms, she said: “They were built by Yakama members, I wouldn’t recommend it.’’

Doulos, hatchery complex manager, has asked for a Department of Interior solicitor’s office opinion on the platform issue.

“I’m going to assume the tribe has a right to construct a platform in the ceded area of the Yakamas,’’ Doulos said. “Until I get a solicitor’s office legal read, I’m taking a hands-off approach.’’

The road along the west side of Drano Lake is closed from 11 p.m. to 4 a.m. to prevent camping. Anglers can park along state Highway 14 and walk in to fish at night.

Doulos said he is concerned about tribal fishermen camping, making fires and the litter associated with camping. He’s also concerned if tribal members are allowed in at night and non-Indians are excluded.

Some platforms are next to an orange buoy line that marks the closed-waters boundary. Tribal fishermen on Tuesday nights have been using the buoys as an anchor point for their nets.

“It’s knocked the buoys out of line,’’ Doulos said. “It looks like a zigzag.’’

Hatchery staff then have to go out and straighten the boundary, he said.

Doulos said many of anglers who fish along the shore of Drano Lake have been doing so for decades and will be very upset if they lose their spots. Angler Dan Mack of Lyle agreed.

“Most of the places to fish from the bank have got a platform now,’’ he said.

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 07:40:04 PM »
http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/aug/04/platforms-limit-access-to-fishing-along-drano-lake/


WHITE SALMON — For 60 of his 80 years, Vern Musgrove has been fishing at Drano Lake, a backwater off the Bonneville Reservoir where the Little White Salmon River flows into the Columbia River.

The Yakima angler’s Drano days, though, may be coming to an end. He gave up boat-fishing after a 2005 accident left him with a bad back — “I can’t pull anchor any more,” he says — and limited him to a couple of easily accessible spots on the lake’s western shore.

Now both of those spots, and several of the lake’s other areas readily available to bank anglers — are occupied by wooden platforms, built over the last two months by Yakama tribal anglers.

One of those sites is the western-end fishing area the locals refer to by names like “Social Security Beach” and “Medicare Beach” for its popularity with older fishermen, some of them with disabilities, who struggle to reach the bank at some of the lake’s steeper, more rugged areas.

Officials with the Little White Salmon Fish Hatchery have planned for months to put in a ramp so wheelchair-bound anglers could fish from the beach.

Only now there are two platforms in front of it.

“People are just up in arms,” said Dennis Evans of Toppenish. “There’s scaffolds right on the beach and in the water in front of the beach, and you can’t fish there because you’re casting out between them.”

That may become much more of an issue over the next six weeks or so if Drano fills up with the steelhead-fishing crowd it typically does in August and early September.

“There’s been fishermen that have called and asked why haven’t you taken them down? They call and they’re very, very upset. It’s a serious thing,” said Speros Doulos, complex manager of the Columbia River Gorge National Fish Hatchery Complex, which includes the Little White Salmon, Willard, Spring Creek and Carson federally-run fish hatcheries.

“I’m really concerned for that night fishery during the steelhead season. If you’ve got tribal fishermen doing their net fishery and you’ve got the intense night steelhead fishery … it’s really busy. And on top of that, you’ve got guys drinking beer. Given the concerns we’ve heard from sport anglers already, I’m concerned about the potential for conflict.”

For years the Drano bank and boat anglers fishing in the same areas has been a simmering stew of resentment that has occasionally boiled over until emergency regulations instituted in 2009 (and since made permanent) by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife mandated some distance between them.

“Seemed like the sheriff was called in every day to stop a fight,” Evans said. “Guys throwing lead shot at the boats … they designed razor-blade sinkers to cut (boaters’) lines to discourage them (from cutting) their line.”

The animosity went both ways. “The boat fishermen will get in there and if you cast too close to their boats, they’ll get mad,” Musgrove said. “One guy pulled a gun out and said, ‘You do that again, I’m gonna shoot you.’”

Skamania County Sheriff Dave Brown said he hopes his officers aren’t in line for more incidents like that with the busiest part of the steelhead summer coming up.

“The scaffolding issue obviously creates a whole new potential for problems,” Brown said. “And as the steelhead run starts to run in over the next week or two, we’re probably going to have some issues out there and be dispatching units to deal with them.”

Brown said the potential for problems would have been diminished had the tribal plan been made public early on, “if the tribe, the fish and wildlife people, the sportsmen and the county could have gotten together for a little bit of education as to what’s going out there.”

Such a meeting might also have reminded non-tribal anglers that the Yakamas are within their treaty rights to fish in any of their traditional fishing areas, including the Little White Salmon.

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 07:48:35 PM »
yep they are a glorious sight to behold  :bash: :bash:

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 08:12:13 PM »
Most people dont get it. The tribes do what they want! Its all in the treaties. They can desimate a run too the last 2 spawing fish as long as it dosent go exstinct. They dont have to tell the state shiat. If the state tries to fight they threaten a federal lawsuit. The state dosent have the money to fight that and ALWAYS gives in. Done deal! Get used to it!
They also can do shiat like this with hatchery runs. They dont have to say shiat. Look at the Chehalis water shed as an example of were Im from. Plant a few hatchery fish thru April and keep the native by catch as well. Even though I cant.

Bitch all ya want but until the Fed gov gets involved get used to it.

Fuk the yaks and all the othe tribes who play this way! PERIOD! Oh yea, they hunt elk the same way. And one good one dont change shiat. Appoligise not accepted!

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 08:17:03 PM »
Some of ya'll need to read the treaty! Its all there!

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 09:19:07 PM »
traditional grounds my white ass .... drano didnt exist until the columbia was dammed up so POST treaty so not a traditional location  :bash: :bash: some of this stuff is so blatantly rubbing noses I predict some remakes of the wild west are gonna happen in the near future the boiling point is about to be reached  :dunno:

and I have read these treaties or quite a few of them along with the monstrosity of a treaty being written right now in BC as well ...... sort of hard to study northwest coast peoples and not also learn about the treaties...

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 09:29:51 PM »
my spidey sense is telling me there will be sevral murders and vicious assaluts there this year.  Oh and that this is one of the most ridiculous thing sive ever read,  how are those platforms not being ripped down...    :dunno:


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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 09:57:06 PM »
You guys talk out your ass way to much your all so tuff. Do I agree with the Drano lake issue hell no they should not allow platforms in their I think it looks like *censored*. And wildman no apology from me.  Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish. With all the pressure from people that don't know about the Tribal people and what they do for the Columbia river they have talked about not clipping the fish any more that would cut down your clipped fish to about none. Then you would see how many fish the tribe releases into the system that all you get to catch. I thought the tuesday draw was getting the tribes 50% i don't know.

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 10:03:17 PM »
Tribal run, But not tribal funded. Who funds those tribal hatcheries??? Do you know?
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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 10:31:16 PM »
What a huge favor we owe to the tribe for their flawless efforts in conservation as well as endless work on restoring and managing our wildlife.

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With all the pressure from people that don't know about the Tribal people and what they do for the Columbia river

I'd like a list of the things the tribe does for the Columbia River or anything other than themselves or the tribe.  Hell, I'd like to know (I really would) all the things it does (on it's own because it wants to and see the value) in the name of conservation.  Gill nets?  Selling oversize sturgeon to the fish market to name a few. 

And we talk out our ass?

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 10:52:19 PM »
You guys talk out your ass way to much your all so tuff. Do I agree with the Drano lake issue hell no they should not allow platforms in their I think it looks like *censored*. And wildman no apology from me.  Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish. With all the pressure from people that don't know about the Tribal people and what they do for the Columbia river they have talked about not clipping the fish any more that would cut down your clipped fish to about none. Then you would see how many fish the tribe releases into the system that all you get to catch. I thought the tuesday draw was getting the tribes 50% i don't know.

Hey Yak NDN, I have a question. I gave up salmon fishing because it is just plain nuts in my opinion.  My question is in the off season people sturgeon fish where the platforms are now being built. Will the average citizen be allowed to use them during non-salmon run season to do their sturgeon fishing? If you could find out I would appreciate it.
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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2011, 07:31:39 AM »
You guys talk out your ass way to much your all so tuff. Do I agree with the Drano lake issue hell no they should not allow platforms in their I think it looks like *censored*. And wildman no apology from me.  Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish. With all the pressure from people that don't know about the Tribal people and what they do for the Columbia river they have talked about not clipping the fish any more that would cut down your clipped fish to about none. Then you would see how many fish the tribe releases into the system that all you get to catch. I thought the tuesday draw was getting the tribes 50% i don't know.

Hey Yak NDN, I have a question. I gave up salmon fishing because it is just plain nuts in my opinion.  My question is in the off season people sturgeon fish where the platforms are now being built. Will the average citizen be allowed to use them during non-salmon run season to do their sturgeon fishing? If you could find out I would appreciate it.

this is gonna be catty but

the first white guy to fall off a platform is gonna sue who? :dunno: the tribes or the state.....there is no way they will let us use them...
 what would happen first is more of our land shut down so we cant use it and they can...the platforms look like hell and the shoreline full of fish carcasses doesnt help its nasty and shows a serious lack of respect for nature the environment and other people.....why should I have respect for someone who obviously has complete lack of respect for anyone but themselves? :dunno: and I actually bet they dont respect themselves much either ... its greed plain and simple.....

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2011, 08:15:55 AM »
Tribal run, But not tribal funded. Who funds those tribal hatcheries??? Do you know?

Sure do its Federal grant money,Core of engineers money, Tribal money, Law Suit money from the dams. That allows the tribe to hire non tribal contractors to build and renovate the hatchery's it allows the tribe to hire non tribal members from Portland to Methow.. That allows the 50/50 split to be a much larger number.

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 08:36:00 AM »
You guys talk out your ass way to much your all so tuff. Do I agree with the Drano lake issue hell no they should not allow platforms in their I think it looks like *censored*. And wildman no apology from me.  Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish. With all the pressure from people that don't know about the Tribal people and what they do for the Columbia river they have talked about not clipping the fish any more that would cut down your clipped fish to about none. Then you would see how many fish the tribe releases into the system that all you get to catch. I thought the tuesday draw was getting the tribes 50% i don't know.

Hey Yak NDN, I have a question. I gave up salmon fishing because it is just plain nuts in my opinion.  My question is in the off season people sturgeon fish where the platforms are now being built. Will the average citizen be allowed to use them during non-salmon run season to do their sturgeon fishing? If you could find out I would appreciate it.
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 tribal people would not have a problem with you fishing off of it. I think it is a bunch of crap all together. I was in Drano about a month ago and one Tribal member had about 15 spots he was going to build. That's greedy and *censored*ty. I feel they should pull out all of them and go back to just the Tuesday gill net season. I am a platform owner on the Columbia. Sturgeon fisherman use it all the time even put a rod holder on it for them.

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Re: Drano lake ~~~~ Bank fisherman lose bank fishing spots
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 08:46:49 AM »
You guys talk out your ass way to much your all so tuff. Do I agree with the Drano lake issue hell no they should not allow platforms in their I think it looks like *censored*. And wildman no apology from me.  Have you looked into who runs most of the hatchery's from bon dam up it tribal yup most of them fish you catch above Bon dam are tribal hatchery fish. With all the pressure from people that don't know about the Tribal people and what they do for the Columbia river they have talked about not clipping the fish any more that would cut down your clipped fish to about none. Then you would see how many fish the tribe releases into the system that all you get to catch. I thought the tuesday draw was getting the tribes 50% i don't know.

Hey Yak NDN, I have a question. I gave up salmon fishing because it is just plain nuts in my opinion.  My question is in the off season people sturgeon fish where the platforms are now being built. Will the average citizen be allowed to use them during non-salmon run season to do their sturgeon fishing? If you could find out I would appreciate it.

The answer for this question is no.  It's considered trespassing because the platforms are built by tribal members for tribal members use only.  And like Yak NDN I don't fish down there and I don't agree as well with the platforms so in my opinion they should be taken down.

Also no apologies from me either and you may not agree with gill netting or dip netting but we have been doing that for longer than you or me have been here and way before any of the dams were built.  I may not gill net or dip net but that does not mean I'm going to let a part of my culture disappear with my father just because you don't like it. 

My family has been doing it for centuries and I remember watching my grandfathers' make and repair them for many different families.  You may not like it and I may not like what somebody else does but you don't see me saying I hate this ethnic group or that ethnic group.

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