Opening a can of worms (Team Mossback)

[TheHunt]

Here is what I learned many years ago.  If you come on people who are bugling in the high desired areas where limited tags are available you keep on hunting.  When I was in Arizona for every tag there was at least 15 people calling for that person.  So if I saw anything I just kept hunting. 

I did get a few comments and when I asked to see their elk tag they shut up.  So hunt on...

[Atroxus]

Here is what I learned many years ago.  If you come on people who are bugling in the high desired areas where limited tags are available you keep on hunting.  When I was in Arizona for every tag there was at least 15 people calling for that person.  So if I saw anything I just kept hunting. 

I did get a few comments and when I asked to see their elk tag they shut up.  So hunt on...

Isn't that type of group hunting illegal in this state? Or am I misunderstanding the laws about that? 

[benhuntin]

Here is what I learned many years ago.  If you come on people who are bugling in the high desired areas where limited tags are available you keep on hunting.  When I was in Arizona for every tag there was at least 15 people calling for that person.  So if I saw anything I just kept hunting. 

I did get a few comments and when I asked to see their elk tag they shut up.  So hunt on...

Isn't that type of group hunting illegal in this state? Or am I misunderstanding the laws about that? 

I think its only considered group huntin if someone else is tryin to do any shootin

[kramer]

go to utah and hunt. almost every person who draws the tag brings 4-6 guys with them its crazy to see the amount of people that help for one tag. if you have fifty employees which i believe is how many doyle has you are sure to have one or two people that mess up. it happens. we get it at my work and at any given time there is nine. all im saying is you shouldnt be bashing his name for something his guides have did. i doubt you will see any replys from team mossback. there never is on monster muleys when people start the same rants.

[firefighter4607]

if you have fifty employees which i believe is how many doyle has you are sure to have one or two people that mess up. it happens. we get it at my work and at any given time there is nine. all im saying is you shouldnt be bashing his name for something his guides have did. i doubt you will see any replys from team mossback. there never is on monster muleys when people start the same rants.

You would think that if people start ranting about this the mossback team would speak up and defend what is being said about them. If I heard someone ragging on a company I work for and I know the info is wrong I would say so to defend the company.

[bone head]

im starting to think they have alot more class than most guys in here, just my two 

[BLUEBULLS]

im starting to think they have alot more class than most guys in here, just my two 

Seriously? We watched them trespass on the most heavily posted land up there. Far from classy.

[boneaddict]

Gee thanks Bone Head

[Built4Outdoors]

I don't believe a landowner would be in violation of any law for not allowing someone to trespass in order to retrieve a dead animal.

Actually they would, landowners cannot block retrieval of animals shot elsewhere. Tresspassing is a different issue of course. I have several law enforcement relatives that have had to look it up in the books while on a call. And they will kindly wait while you retrieve your game if needed.

Of course I always recommend being a responsible hunter and notifying the property owner you need access to recover your game. Most landowners are very nice about it.

[gaddy]

wheres that in wrighting?

[Curly]

I don't believe a landowner would be in violation of any law for not allowing someone to trespass in order to retrieve a dead animal.

Actually they would, landowners cannot block retrieval of animals shot elsewhere. Tresspassing is a different issue of course. I have several law enforcement relatives that have had to look it up in the books while on a call. And they will kindly wait while you retrieve your game if needed.

Of course I always recommend being a responsible hunter and notifying the property owner you need access to recover your game. Most landowners are very nice about it.

Built4, no disrespect, but you are misinformed.  A landowner has no responsibility to allow access to his land to retrieve an animal. 

[MtnMuley]

 

[huntnnw]

That law was changed in 07 I beleive..landowner DOES NOT have to give you access to recover animal... Prior to this they did or the police would escort u on I know this from personal experience

[bearpaw]

go to utah and hunt. almost every person who draws the tag brings 4-6 guys with them its crazy to see the amount of people that help for one tag. if you have fifty employees which i believe is how many doyle has you are sure to have one or two people that mess up. it happens. we get it at my work and at any given time there is nine. all im saying is you shouldnt be bashing his name for something his guides have did. i doubt you will see any replys from team mossback. there never is on monster muleys when people start the same rants.

I didn't read every post, but I think this comment by kramer pretty likely nails the situation. Moss has plenty of guides and there are lots of other people looking for big bulls so they can collect on his reward that he offers for finding monster bulls. There is no telling what lengths some of these people will go to, I doubt Moss asks them to break laws, but there is no way he has control over all these people's actions all the time. However, if something happens he is undoubtedly the one to take the blame. Not saying I agree with any of it, but I doubt he is actually telling these guides to go block roads, break laws, etc. That is not going to fly with the regulating agencies. Maybe he should tell them all to straighten out or hit the road, and maybe he has, none of us know what measures he may have taken one way or the other.

As far as the guy in the blues that is reportedly working for Moss, I doubt Moss knew the guy has a record. Here's an incident that happened to me, I hired a guy several years ago that talked a good story, seemed to be a good hunter, and sounded OK, when I tried to get him licensed in Idaho, his license was declined and I found out the guy had a string of poaching violations on his record, so I immediately got rid of him. So from personal experience I can tell you that Moss may not have known he was hiring a problem individual. If the guy had photos of a big bull that Moss needs he would be inclined to hire him. But it sounds like that individual may have already gotten Moss into some more hot water.

I would just like to remind everyone, there is so much jealousy in hunting that you need to know the facts before you bash someone based on rumors and 3rd hand stories. For example: every time a new world record is taken there are people who start vicious rumors, some people can't stand to see someone else get the biggest animals. (Chuck Adams Montana elk are a prime example.) I am not saying anyone here is at fault or that Moss does everything right, I really don't know. Just saying you might want to have the facts before you make accusations. 

What he said about Utah is true, when someone gets a primo tag, half the family plus friends just want to go along on the hunt. It's not necessarily about looking for 400 class bulls with many, it's just good times with family and friends. 

[rosscrazyelk]

Very well said from a true professional. I respect everything you had to say.. I for one have been very out spoken aboutmossback but I do not apologize for what I have said when I was hired for my job I went thru interviews and background checks such as referrals. mr moss easily could of done this  before he hired mr teal. not trying to argue , you have made me look at some things differently. Thank you