tribal hunting

[bobcat]

how about the tready gets ripped up and we keep the land

I didn't think the indians actually "owned" the land. Where was there any type of paperwork that proved ownership? Seems to me they were just squatting on it on a temporary basis.   

[BOWHUNTER45]

This is the 2nd time I have had to clean this topic up, next time it gets locked so keep it clean PLEASE!
Thanks, Dale

LOCK IT ....Because it is going to get real ugly if you do not !!!!!!!  

[BOWHUNTER45]

I do not think this is a battle field .... we are here to talk hunting ....I THINK

[BOWHUNTER45]

A treaty is a contract between us and the govermnet. you guys break the treaty you break the contract. that means you give us or 24 million acres back and get of our land. .. so think twice.

how about the tready gets ripped up and we keep the land   the native americans did not do so well last time

OUCH .....

[igotbigbulls]

no need to lock. we are all men here. for the most part i think. everyone is entitled to an opinion. because thats all it is. wont be tearing up of any treaties in our lifetime.

[trophyhunt]

I'm sure at some point it will be locked, some of these mod's are a little too liberal and politically correct to hear how we feel.  That one of the biggest problems with this country, we are too concerned with offending people. If you don't like it, don't read it but a question gets asked and we can't say how we feel? I definitely can't say exactly how I feel just because it will certainly get nuked. And I would venture to say most of us feel the same way when it comes to tribal hunting, we just can't say what were thinking on this web site. We'll have to save it for when we meet in the woods around the campfire. As far as how does tribal hunting effect me..... it makes my blood pressure increase to dangerous limits.

[bearpaw]

I'm sure at some point it will be locked, some of these mod's are a little too liberal and politically correct to hear how we feel.  That one of the biggest problems with this country, we are too concerned with offending people. If you don't like it, don't read it but a question gets asked and we can't say how we feel? I definitely can't say exactly how I feel just because it will certainly get nuked. And I would venture to say most of us feel the same way when it comes to tribal hunting, we just can't say what were thinking on this web site. We'll have to save it for when we meet in the woods around the campfire. As far as how does tribal hunting effect me..... it makes my blood pressure increase to dangerous limits.

Simply Not True.....

This is my position as stated before:  I think tribal issues are topics that need to be discussed openly, but in a civil fashion.
Let's hear your opinion, but if you start name calling and or posting nasty comments only meant to be inflammatory, they will be deleted. 

(if I missed a comment that goes too far, send me a pm, I am trying my best to keep this topic going, if you guys can discuss the issues with a civil tongue it will continue, it's entirely up to you)

[igotbigbulls]

trophyhunt. what gets your blood pressure so high about tribal hunting? i want to know what youve seen or has happened to you to piss you off so bad.

[seansfire]

the indian people dont hunt , fish , or gather as was said in a earlier post. you people have NEVER IN YOUR LIVES had to endure any of the hardships of your ancestors. i am as white as can be but i think if i were native i would stay as far from the rez as possible because those of you that are on here saying you have " rights " and that you are a " nation " are an embarassment to everything your ancestors fought so hard and died for.

the way the tribes operate now are no different than some people having another child so they can get more welfare. your people are nothing more than a disgrace and the sooner you wake up and start trying to fix the problem within your own tribes the better for yourselves.

to be clear i am not referring to every native in the world as there are some that are hard working people who pay taxes and dont feel like they have to mooch from the state at every chance. i am talking about all the ones who do nothing but take and then complain about not having enough.

i am a firm beliver that the tribes should be dis banded , the treaties should be done away with , if for no other reason than everyone should be on the same playing field. to those natives on this site , you should be ashamed to call yourselves natives after trying to stick up for the people you know dam well are out there hunting and fishing illegally. you know full well where the problems are and which people are abusing the priviledges they have been granted.

they are not rights. be clear about it. back in the 1800's the tribes got whipped so bad we felt bad for ya and gave you some extras that allowed you to fend for yourselves. dont forget where you came from.

[trophyhunt]

I have a friend that has been a warden  for over 35 years, he has worked in the enumclaw area and greenwater most his career. If you or anyone on here had the privilege to sit down and talk with him about tribal hunting and his life on the job experiences with tribal hunting it would open your eyes and yes increase your blood pressure. I really don't have the time right now to give you the many examples he has told me, I've talked about them on this site at some point I'm sure. The mucks will surly kill 10 elk when he retires, this he has told me.  I want him to write a book on his life experiences, it would be a top seller amongst sportsman. If you know the greenwater area a little and the wardens in the area you will know whom I speak of and if you see him in the woods just ask him about it and watch the vein in the middle of his forehead pop out. He doesn't just talk about it so you might have to talk a bit to him first.

[igotbigbulls]

seansfire. come on man. you cant honestly believe the garbage you just put on here right? like its been said. beat that dead horse some more. you really have no idea what your talking about. you dont know anything about history or the treaty. It is important to understand that the U.S. Government and the Treaty did not "give" the Tribal people those rights to fish, hunt, and gather foods and medicines. They are rights that we have had and exercised since time immemorial. In the Treaty, our ancestors RESERVED those rights to ensure that the tribe's future generations would be able to maintain and exercise our traditions and customs.

[sirmissalot]

I have a friend that has been a warden  for over 35 years, he has worked in the enumclaw area and greenwater most his career. If you or anyone on here had the privilege to sit down and talk with him about tribal hunting and his life on the job experiences with tribal hunting it would open your eyes and yes increase your blood pressure. I really don't have the time right now to give you the many examples he has told me, I've talked about them on this site at some point I'm sure. The mucks will surly kill 10 elk when he retires, this he has told me.  I want him to write a book on his life experiences, it would be a top seller amongst sportsman. If you know the greenwater area a little and the wardens in the area you will know whom I speak of and if you see him in the woods just ask him about it and watch the vein in the middle of his forehead pop out. He doesn't just talk about it so you might have to talk a bit to him first.

That is one of the areas I have heard of some horrible slaughters on elk herds.

I would love to hear from him his view, if I see him this weekend I'll be sure to bring this thread up to him.

[trophyhunt]

I have a friend that has been a warden  for over 35 years, he has worked in the enumclaw area and greenwater most his career. If you or anyone on here had the privilege to sit down and talk with him about tribal hunting and his life on the job experiences with tribal hunting it would open your eyes and yes increase your blood pressure. I really don't have the time right now to give you the many examples he has told me, I've talked about them on this site at some point I'm sure. The mucks will surly kill 10 elk when he retires, this he has told me.  I want him to write a book on his life experiences, it would be a top seller amongst sportsman. If you know the greenwater area a little and the wardens in the area you will know whom I speak of and if you see him in the woods just ask him about it and watch the vein in the middle of his forehead pop out. He doesn't just talk about it so you might have to talk a bit to him first.

That is one of the areas I have heard of some horrible slaughters on elk herds.

I would love to hear from him his view, if I see him this weekend I'll be sure to bring this thread up to him.

Encourage him to write a book if you do see him, and yes many slaughters in that area from the mucks.  They also took the green river watershed from the best tag in the state in the late 80's to no hunting for anyone because of the slaughter they did in that area.  Only when they agreed to only kill as many as us did the herd start to make a comeback. Yes they were involved in the replanting of elk but only after they killed 90% of them.

[jackmaster]

just an honest question for only the native americans... do you think that your ancestors would agree with the way and the methods that native americans hunt with now? me personally i wish we could just all go by the same rules and pay the same prices, i like many, have to pay an arm and a leg to hunt and i dont mind if it means i get to do what i love..this might be a bit of a personal question so i will understand if you tell me to mind my own business but i will ask anyways. arent the native americans compinsated monitarely. and if so why is it necessary to take more than one elk and deer per year? thank you for any answers you can provide.

[6x6in6]

the indian people dont hunt , fish , or gather as was said in a earlier post. you people have NEVER IN YOUR LIVES had to endure any of the hardships of your ancestors. i am as white as can be but i think if i were native i would stay as far from the rez as possible because those of you that are on here saying you have " rights " and that you are a " nation " are an embarassment to everything your ancestors fought so hard and died for.

the way the tribes operate now are no different than some people having another child so they can get more welfare. your people are nothing more than a disgrace and the sooner you wake up and start trying to fix the problem within your own tribes the better for yourselves.

to be clear i am not referring to every native in the world as there are some that are hard working people who pay taxes and dont feel like they have to mooch from the state at every chance. i am talking about all the ones who do nothing but take and then complain about not having enough.

i am a firm beliver that the tribes should be dis banded , the treaties should be done away with , if for no other reason than everyone should be on the same playing field. to those natives on this site , you should be ashamed to call yourselves natives after trying to stick up for the people you know dam well are out there hunting and fishing illegally. you know full well where the problems are and which people are abusing the priviledges they have been granted.

they are not rights. be clear about it. back in the 1800's the tribes got whipped so bad we felt bad for ya and gave you some extras that allowed you to fend for yourselves. dont forget where you came from.

I'm just speechless........
I had so many different versions in response to your post, I just could not bring myself to hit the post button.  You should be ashamed of yourself.
Just sayin', from one "white as can be" to another.