tribal hunting

[benhuntin]

I cant waste any more time readin this crap but if tags continue to raise we should all claim to be "Native AMERICANS" 

[igotbigbulls]

you can claim all you want. proof is hard to come by. maybe you should just stop hunting. and bye beef. probably cheaper. i dont know what tags cost

[Alan K]

Lets put it this way, if we all hunted like the indians there would be nothing left in the woods. It's a good thing your a small population. Enough for me tonight.

 

[benhuntin]

you can claim all you want. proof is hard to come by. maybe you should just stop hunting. and bye beef. probably cheaper. i dont know what tags cost

why dont you know how much tags cost?

[igotbigbulls]

have you not been reading this thread. dont need one.

[benhuntin]

why dont you need a tag?  And I read a couple of pages. 

[igotbigbulls]

my tribe doesnt need tags. got a treaty.

[Michelle_Nelson]

I have been watching this thread off and on and all I have to say is. . . 
 
Some of you (on both sides) should probably pull your heads out of the 5th grade if you want to have an intelligent debate.  This is more like a bunch of 11 year olds trying to prove to each other how mature and smart they are.
 
Please tell me after 11 pages what have all of you accomplished?  NOTHING! ! !  Other than a few of you making yourselves look like idiots.  Some just feel the need to put a word in.  Wether it makes sense or not and if you have nothing constructive to say just throw a couple profanities and insults in the discussion.  That will raise everyones IQ and bring awarness to issues in this state. 

[benhuntin]

HMMM now I see why everyone has a problem with that  Where do the rest of us go to get a "treaty"?  We would like to not buy tags either.  How many animals can you kill?

[igotbigbulls]

i started on this thread to try to stop the bashing. i feel if there is no evidence nothing should be said at all. and i agree i have smarted off more than a few times. no one wants to know what the laws of the tribes are. lots of bashing. i would love to just debate.

[Knocker of rocks]

why dont you need a tag?  And I read a couple of pages.

No fair to the rest of us.  You can't come here, read less than 20% of the material, and ask for a synopsis.

You must sit down and read everything   

[colockumelk]

Bigbulls you demand facts yet you produce none of your own. You are right us Americans (non-native is offensive to me) do harvest more than Indians do. That's because we make up 90% of the hunters. Indian hunters kill way way way way more per person than American hunters do. 

Plateau I saw nothing in that link that showed the Yakamas pay a dime towards big game management or do anything to help the WDFW with big game management or conservation. Big bulls you said the CIU and the Yakamas do a great job of big game management off the res. Anything to back that up? 

You may hunt deep and only kill what you need but... The truth of the matter is the Yakamas and other tribes have a really bad public relations problem.  As long as it is common practise for its members to kill bulls and bucks from the side of the road in the winter range in plane view of others especially on or near a feeding station you will continue to get a bad rap. If the tribes would police their own and put a stop to it most of these issues would go away. 

And yes you don't know what your talking about if you think our resources were not limited. Why do you think its spike only or 3 pt min. Why do we lose more and more hunting season and see less and less branch bull tags. Do you think its the 7-10% success rate during general season or the 15-40% success rates on special tags? Or is it because the tribes allow its members to kill 6 bulls a year from a GMU that has seen a sharp decline in its elk numbers?  

My comments are from a conservation standpoint. If this was Colorado or Montana we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But its Washington and our resources and land are limited. If we dont learn to share and both do our part we are ALL gonna lose it.  Like I've said before if you have 50% of the harvest its time you get 50% of the bill.

what facts would you like me to produce? i know of plenty that have had their rights taken away for a year due to poaching and hunting illegally. its policed more than you know. there is no way tribes harvest 50% of big game taken each year. if thats what your saying. your stat of "way way way more" is maybe a little off. so what if i killed ten elk last year. if my family uses all that meat its my RIGHT to take what i need. plain and simple. its not my fault the success rate is so low. hunters arent what they used to be i guess. maybe the old timers need to show all the new guys how its done. thats how i was raised.

Bigbulls I had high hopes for you I really did.  But like many before you you have ducked and dodged all of my points and quetions.  The facts you so innocently acted like you didn't know I asked for was to show how and where the CIU or the Yakama's have helped or funded conservation and managment in regards to big game?  If you knew your facts or did your home work you would know that the Boldt decision gave the tribes the RIGHT to 50% of the harvest.  So when are you gonna start paying your fair share. 

As far as your last comment about how our success rate is due to us being lazy hunters.  That shows your class and your lack of understanding of how hard our seasons are.  If your tribal hunters had the same season we had I highly doubt the success rate would be higher.  And you should be thankful that we hold our selves to a higher standard and police ourselves.  Because if we had your seasons we wouldn't have any elk and deer to hunt.

Big bulls you should really thank all of us because when we buy our tag every year it pays for...
the elk to have been transplanted from Yellowstone to Eastern WA.
it pays to feed the elk and deer that you hunt through a hard winter,
it pays to maintain the roads that you drive on to go hunting,
it pays to pay scientists to study populations and game trends so that we can conserve andproperly manage our herds,
it pays for the game wardens that police up the poachers,
it pays for programs that make the habitat better so we can have more big game,


You should thank us because if it wasn't for us and the WDFW we wouldn't have made sacrifices which
made it spike only to ensure that there would be more branch bulls for you to hunt,
we cut back on number of days in the season and changed the timing of the seasons so that we could control the amount of harvest so the deer and elk herds would remain healthy so you could hunt them. 
We cut the amount of doe and cow tags so we could grow the herd so you have more deer and elk to hunt.
we made it 3pt min for deer so more of those bucks could grow up so you have more big bucks to hunt.

I could go on and on if you would like.  Like I said before what has the tribes on the East Side done to help out the big game herds?  Oh I went back and made my main talking points in red.  If you would like to respond, go for it. 

[benhuntin]

why dont you need a tag?  And I read a couple of pages.

No fair to the rest of us.  You can't come here, read less than 20% of the material, and ask for a synopsis.

You must sit down and read everything   

Sorry Knocker

[windygorge]

honestly, i am really glad your on here igotbigbulls.   sorry things get out of hand, and really glad you roll with them and demand facts.   i am just reading and trying to decipher the BS from facts.  as i have never experienced tribal abuse, only hear say.  what i hear is enough to make my hair stand on my arms.  i just wonder how much is true, but i also wonder how diligent the tribes are in policing illegal hunting as you say they are.  i know there are hell raising indians out there, who love to have a good time, and that seems to piss off alot of non-indians.  and i damn sure know there are non-indians out there who love to raise hell and have a good time.   i think the difference is, that when indians do it, and go and kill an elk with a rifle during bow season while they are hooping and hollering, it feels to the non-indian a sort of taunting is happening.  i have only seen non-indians in the mountains raising hell, only in part because i hunt little where indians tend to roam.  I have seen in the clearwater a truck of 4 indians going through a locked gate.  but i also know of a few non-indians that have access to gates and use it during archery season.  who can say they never seen a quad running around behind gates, when it shouldn't be.  i know i have.  all have been non-indians.  pisses me off to.  i am one who only supports facts,  facts to me are proof.  facts to me are photos, video, and so on.  like i said proof.  i don't really care about percentages and ratios, thats not what i want.  save that crap someone who cares.   sometimes facts are misleading and unfortunately, hearsay is fact to alot of people.  take our dumb a@@ president for example.  how else could he have made president since the real facts showed he was not suitable for the job, yet he was voted on by majority.  yea, blows me away to.   
so tell me this igotbigbulls.  is there a hotline that can be used for your tribe and others that if an illegal act is being done, that we can call??
can you copy and paste tribal regulations on here, so we have an understanding what tribes consider illegal. 
weapon types, amount of loads in a gun, wastefullness, etc...
fishing for roe, seems it should be illegal.  is it??
anyway, anything would help and im sure alot of non-indians would appreciate some insight
thanks again for being a forum member

[igotbigbulls]

colokumelk
i cant hunt big game during the hard winter my season is aug1-dec31
and we got our own scientists, own roads, but we do pay the same taxes as you. got our own programs, got our own game wardens. you know nothing about tribal laws, regs or actually anything. im not a yakama. so i fall into that other tribes area i guess. i didnt need the boldt desicion to tell me what and where i can hunt. its spelled out in OUR treaty. dont be so narrow minded. non natives poach! obviously alot. thats why you continue to need more game wardens and that makes your tags cost more and so on and so on. if you aint got proof stay quiet.
btw do you think we dont pay taxes like everyone else?