tribal hunting

[Knocker of rocks]

some of these mod's are a little too liberal and politically correct to hear how we feel

I don't picture the average moderator here sipping a latte at Starbucks while they tap away on their laptop in downtown Seattle, getting ready to go to work on Mayor McGinn's reelection campaign.

Would you want Bearpaw handing out leaflets on Capitol Hill? 

[h20hunter]

Dale doesn't hunt that kind of bear.....

[igotbigbulls]

trophyhunt. little ole muckelshoot tribe killed off 90% of an elk herd? where did you get that stat from? yeah im calling you out on this one.  know your facts before you post.

and jackmaster. i honestly dont know how all the natives that hunting illegally. i hunt with my family and for my family. i hunt for not just my immediate family but for aunts and uncles and granparents who cant hunt. i help provide for them all. thats why i take more than one elk and deer a year. but i dont waste meat. if you think we are getting rich as a tribal member. think again. at least im not.

[colockumelk]

Bigbulls you demand facts yet you produce none of your own. You are right us Americans (non-native is offensive to me) do harvest more than Indians do. That's because we make up 90% of the hunters. Indian hunters kill way way way way more per person than American hunters do. 

Plateau I saw nothing in that link that showed the Yakamas pay a dime towards big game management or do anything to help the WDFW with big game management or conservation. Big bulls you said the CIU and the Yakamas do a great job of big game management off the res. Anything to back that up? 

You may hunt deep and only kill what you need but... The truth of the matter is the Yakamas and other tribes have a really bad public relations problem.  As long as it is common practise for its members to kill bulls and bucks from the side of the road in the winter range in plane view of others especially on or near a feeding station you will continue to get a bad rap. If tje tribes would police their own and put a stop to it most of these issues would go away. 

And yes you don't know what your talking about if you think our resources were not limited. Why do you think its spike only or 3 pt min. Why do we lose more and more hunting season and see less and less branch bull tags. Do you think its the 7-10% success rate during general season or the 15-40% success rates on special tags? Or is it because the tribes allow its members to kill 6 bulls a year from a GMU that has seen a sharp decline in its elk numbers? 

My comments are from a conservation standpoint. If this was Colorado or Montana we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But its Washington and our resources and land are limited. If we dont learn to share and both do our part we are ALL gonna lose it.  Like I've said before if you have 50% of the harvest its time you get 50% of the bill.

[igotbigbulls]

what facts would you like me to produce? i know of plenty that have had their rights taken away for a year due to poaching and hunting illegally. its policed more than you know. there is no way tribes harvest 50% of big game taken each year. if thats what your saying. your stat of "way way way more" is maybe a little off. so what if i killed ten elk last year. if my family uses all that meat its my RIGHT to take what i need. plain and simple. its not my fault the success rate is so low. hunters arent what they used to be i guess. maybe the old timers need to show all the new guys how its done. thats how i was raised.

[JimmyHoffa]

Last I read, the tribes (statewide) account for 3% of total elk harvest--that is known about-- reported from indians and non-indians.  I read that deer were even lower.

[igotbigbulls]

yup. not to many that actually hunt.

[longknife]

what facts would you like me to produce? i know of plenty that have had their rights taken away for a year due to poaching and hunting illegally. its policed more than you know. there is no way tribes harvest 50% of big game taken each year. if thats what your saying. your stat of "way way way more" is maybe a little off. so what if i killed ten elk last year. if my family uses all that meat its my RIGHT to take what i need. plain and simple. its not my fault the success rate is so low. hunters arent what they used to be i guess. maybe the old timers need to show all the new guys how its done. thats how i was raised.

It seems like the only time an indian gets charged for poaching/wasting, (if they get charged) its a public event where it was a witnessed event, by many. Otherwise there is no policing out here in tulalip, they are the police, so it gets swept under the rug. We have cell cameras now, it will change. Nothing changes paperwork like a bunch of polititions seeing waste of the natural resourses we have to provide and maintain for your tribes.

[igotbigbulls]

if you dont want to provide. stay out of the casinos. i didnt know you provided natural resources. seems like a dumb statement to make but you made it anyway.

[saylean]

My indian buddy just called me today and said he passed on a three x three elk this weenend up by Rainier...he bagged a spike earlier this year...I was surprised he passed on it.

I told him, "Save an elk, employ an indian!"...he laughed.

[trophyhunt]

trophyhunt. little ole muckelshoot tribe killed off 90% of an elk herd? where did you get that stat from? yeah im calling you out on this one.  know your facts before you post.

and jackmaster. i honestly don't know how all the natives that hunting illegally. i hunt with my family and for my family. i hunt for not just my immediate family but for aunts and uncles and granparents who cant hunt. i help provide for them all. that's why i take more than one elk and deer a year. but i don't waste meat. if you think we are getting rich as a tribal member. think again. at least I'm not.

The little ole mucks kill a huge amount of elk in the white river and they did wipe out the herd in the green river shed. How the he ll can I prove that to you? My wife's uncle was a game warden, his partner is the game warden I spoke of earlier- the one with over 35+ years in that area.  He has all the facts that I doubt you would believe, and the facts are the mucks destroyed the best elk tag in the state! And then tried to take credit for the release program. If your not a rich indian you should be a muck because they are very rich and will soon own a huge portion of Auburn and the white river unit, all thanks to the white man and those who support indian casinos. My ancestors used to feed the family off the land too, you don't deserve any special rights over me or any non indian hunter.

[longknife]

if you dont want to provide. stay out of the casinos. i didnt know you provided natural resources. seems like a dumb statement to make but you made it anyway.

We have to maintain fish population for your tribes, and for us. When tax payers have to pay for it, YES, we provide resourses. I have never stepped foot in a casino, and tell everyone i know not to give a dime!

[igotbigbulls]

yeah i know the muckelshoots. where a portion of my family is enrolled and is from. listen man i know its not as bad as your claiming. since they cant shoot as many big game animals as you say. i know their regs. if poaching was such a problem something would be done. laws are laws.

[igotbigbulls]

if you dont want to provide. stay out of the casinos. i didnt know you provided natural resources. seems like a dumb statement to make but you made it anyway.

We have to maintain fish population for your tribes, and for us. When tax payers have to pay for it, YES, we provide resourses. I have never stepped foot in a casino, and tell everyone i know not to give a dime!

you should try spending a dime there. might get lucky. and how do you maintain fish population for us. please do share your infinite wisdom on how this is done. im interested

[trophyhunt]

Lets put it this way, if we all hunted like the indians there would be nothing left in the woods. It's a good thing your a small population. Enough for me tonight.