wolf found dead in washington

[boneaddict]

See, now that is civil.

[Nimrod]

What did i miss how did this all become an bad topic.... Shoot um i'n the guts and nothing ever happend.... I would rather eat deer and elk then hunt wolf..... If it crosses the border dump it's ass.... We all know the rules.... But they have already said they will not prosecute..... It's a big hungry dog that shouldn't be here... It would be like fighting agents a cure for cancer... I don't wanna be on that list I'll shoot tell I'm out of bullets and snare the rest of them....

[Miles]

The name fits.

[BIGINNER]

The name fits.

         

i honestly dont give a fam duck what bunny huggers think of hunting or anything else i do,  they've already shown that they don't care for anything but their own agendas, and they'll break laws and lie through their ass just to get what they want,  but its stupid to step down to their level and promote illegal actity,  but sometimes its just hard when thats the only good choice you're given,   serioulsy,  at this point it seems that the only choices we have is to kill all wolves on sight or be a good boy and give up hunting and eventually your guns,..

[Hunt4ever]

The name fits.

 

I dont say alot when it comes to the "Wolf" topic because the opinions we see are either black or white! That is the problem; if all the middle of the road folks keep there opinions to themselves and we turn all the topics into locked out rage cage matches we get nowhere... Everyone on here knows if the S.S.S had no repercussions we wouldnt have a wolf problem... and with the recient dumb a$$ accidently shooting the Grizzly thinking it was a black bear we hunters are getting a bad spotlight shining in our direction... We need to attend ever single wolf meeting they have and fight the good fight... Eventually they will give in, but i hope its not too late...

[Nimrod]

Me too ive seen wolves as far down ass baker city... What happens when they come to my town or your town... Ppl will wanna fight a little more America is filled full of ppl that if they can't see it, they won't bother w it.... Alaska is managing there wolf population why can't we Or better yet have Alaska and Canada come get um.....

[high country]

My perspective is this, I have never been for the eradication of anything, sans perhaps mosquitoes. I think it was beyond comprehension to reintroduce wolves when the original carrying capacity of the land was not enough for wolves and humans when there were a fraction as many humans, unlimited range and lots more animals to feed on. Now we are faced with a serious problem, do we try to thin the wolf population back to a small number or let them multiply and eat themselves out of food? Wolves have proven to be less than responsible hunters and often sport kill, that can't go on too long before they must move on or starve. Our state has densities of animals that lie very close to humans, unlike wy, mt, id and ak. Here when the wolves show up in force, and they will, it is going to be with certain conflict to humans......not just hunters. We as Americans dropped the ball on this by trying this silly experiment. What if we could bring back t-rex? We have the technology to do so, but we have seen Jurassic park and know how that story ends.

[Green Lantern]

I agree, but have to tell ya we don't have the technology to bring back T rex.

[Arteman]

I don't agree with the reintroduction of wolves in Washington, but also I don't get heated on the subject being from the westside it hasn't hit home yet, but I could see how you eastside folks can get easily heated over this.  Ive heard rumors that they are talking of introducing them in the St. Helens area to manage the elk herd, if that happened I would boil over, I've been on the mud flow in may, I've seen all the dying elk, bones, and carcases.  How about more tags, more revenue for the state, more happy hunters.  Also I couldn't imagine having to carry a gun to take my kids shed hunting.  The bunny huggers got their way with the hound hunters 15+ years ago and now look, there is "special" programs to manage the cougar and bear for the problems they're causing, there is a reason why they wiped out the wolves and it will come around again.  I for one would think the animal rights guys wouldn't want the wolves reintroduced in fear for their safety, sure as hell wouldn't want to if I was a wolf.  I cant say I wouldn't figure out a reason to defend myself or my children if I did see one out in the woods, wouldn't want that feeling or having to look over my shoulder on the way back to the truck.

[pianoman9701]

My perspective is this, I have never been for the eradication of anything, sans perhaps mosquitoes. I think it was beyond comprehension to reintroduce wolves when the original carrying capacity of the land was not enough for wolves and humans when there were a fraction as many humans, unlimited range and lots more animals to feed on. Now we are faced with a serious problem, do we try to thin the wolf population back to a small number or let them multiply and eat themselves out of food? Wolves have proven to be less than responsible hunters and often sport kill, that can't go on too long before they must move on or starve. Our state has densities of animals that lie very close to humans, unlike wy, mt, id and ak. Here when the wolves show up in force, and they will, it is going to be with certain conflict to humans......not just hunters. We as Americans dropped the ball on this by trying this silly experiment. What if we could bring back t-rex? We have the technology to do so, but we have seen Jurassic park and know how that story ends.

I don't think you'll find any disagreement on this forum. However, the number of hunters on here who openly advocate poaching wolves indicates to the non-hunting community that we're all extremist wolf haters and willing to break the law to attain our goals, whether we all are or not. Members who publicly post that they'll shoot wolves on site make an impression on non-hunters that the anti-hunters are correct.

Our public image is important since we represent only 7% of the population. Of the remaining 93%, a very small minority are anti-hunting. The distinction between anti-hunters and non-hunters is important. Non-hunters are not anti-hunting until they're convinced that hunting is bad. But, when the anti-hunters point out to the non-hunters the rhetoric of a few who would poach and shoot wolves illegally, it makes us all look extremist and could move non-hunters over to the anti-hunting group. This is a danger that we must recognize always. We must always speak knowing that the largest portion of non-hunters is on the fence for most of these issues and they will choose the side that seem the least fanatical and make the most sense. If we raise our voices in opposition without advocating lawlessness and with facts and reason, many non-hunters will hear our voice and understand. If we come out advocating poaching and illegal activities, many will listen to the wolf lovers as the voices of reason. When that happens, we're certainly screwed. Our public image is much of what will sway the non-hunters one way or the other.

[Heartsblood]

I agree, but have to tell ya we don't have the technology to bring back T rex.

  That would be awesome! Then we wouldn't be @ the top of the food chain anymore! Maybe then human population overshoot would be kept in check. Afterall - wolves aren't the only critters who are beyond their own carrying capacity... 

[Alchase]

I agree, but have to tell ya we don't have the technology to bring back T rex.

Dang, I would need a bigger freezer 

[pianoman9701]

I agree, but have to tell ya we don't have the technology to bring back T rex.

  That would be awesome! Then we wouldn't be @ the top of the food chain anymore! Maybe then human population overshoot would be kept in check. Afterall - wolves aren't the only critters who are beyond their own carrying capacity... 

Think how much DFW would want for a tag, though!

[remington300mag]

Pianoman,

I got one question for you....I do agree with what you say about the image of hunters.....BUT, can you honestly say that anything we do or say will stop the taking of our rights? Every year we lose more and more......The antis do what they want.....they line the pockets of politicians.... and we keep getting the short end of the stick......and now we got the wolf issue.....My stand on that is, when the wolves have decimated the animal population in this state......how long before they shut down hunting to all of us???

And like I have said before....it doesn't matter if you are a saint in the woods or a poacher.....either way the antis hate you the same.....

[pianoman9701]

Pianoman,

I got one question for you....I do agree with what you say about the image of hunters.....BUT, can you honestly say that anything we do or say will stop the taking of our rights? Every year we lose more and more......The antis do what they want.....they line the pockets of politicians.... and we keep getting the short end of the stick......and now we got the wolf issue.....My stand on that is, when the wolves have decimated the animal population in this state......how long before they shut down hunting to all of us???

And like I have said before....it doesn't matter if you are a saint in the woods or a poacher.....either way the antis hate you the same.....

Yes, I do think what we do and say, and how we say it makes a huge difference. Remember that the "antis" are a very small portion of the "non-hunters", probably only about 10% or less. We're not trying to sway the "antis". We're trying to show the rest of the "non-hunters" that our goals are reasonable, as well as our actions, that we're dedicated to conservation and balance in the wild.

Look, the average non-hunting person hears "we're reintroducing wolves" and they get all Jack London and weepy and chit. They think that's just great. Then the crazy people who are pushing for the wolves are telling them, "see, those crazy, extremist hunters want to kill all your wolves and your children will never hear a howl in the wilderness". They show them quotes from forums like ours where people say "s.s.s." and such. And they think, "damn, those hunters will do anything they want unless we can stop them". But, when we speak with facts and rationality, the antis will look like the crazies. When we point out that we're the ones who've been pouring money into conservation through volunteering and the Pittman Robertson Act, and that we're the ones who brought back the elk, deer, buffalo, cougar, bear, and other wild critters that were almost hunted to extinction by US government shooters, they can begin to understand that we know the woods and the wild, and these freaks speak from emotion and a lack of knowledge and truth. Our way of speaking makes a huge difference in their listening. Our actions and words must represent hunters as a responsible force for conservation and balance in nature, like we truly are.