nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[trophyhunt]

just like all the shame you should feel for your people poaching and wasting resources also. 

Ok now we are getting somewhere. Yes, I hate, hate the guys any guys out there shooting at night with spotlights, taking multiple animals and out of season. Trust me, I don't give two rats a s s who it is. I hate poachers period, we are on the same page with that.

[igotbigbulls]

i do know the truth that poaching happens between both groups of hunters. not denying it. ive seen it. but to point the finger constantly at one group over the other is not working as we can see by these threads.

[lewy]

  trophyhunt- i remember that bull, a true giant. seen him many times. yea he was shot at night and left, game warden was called to the scene and had to dispatch him. somehow the tribe got that bull back too, had to do with Bruce being told to turn it over or lose his job right.......
   I know Bruce has seen allot, including white man breaking laws don't get me wrong, but i also would love to see him put a book out on the mucks negative influence on the white river herds (and others as well). Would shock and awe many people

[trophyhunt]

We just want to move on as a society, as human beings. When your tribes continue to put yourselves above everyone else as if your a different nation within our God Blessed United States, it causes anger. It's time for the tribes to blend in (for lack of better words) with the rest of OUR country. The mucks are one of the richest tribes in the nation, even the rest of the tribes tried to get you guys to not give each family soo much money from the casino but the mucks said screw you, which I can understand your position on that.  Like I have said in different posts, the tribes are not anymore special than anyone else in this country. Times have changed, it's been over 150 years man. They had no friggin idea when they wrote the treaties how life, land and technology would change.  If they did the treaties wouldn't have been written like they were. Don't you think it's time for a change. End the hate, you guys deserve no more than any hard working person trying to take care of their family.  Why do you deserve special treatment??

[Ddog73]

You sure know alot about Muckleshoots, but we dont get all the money you think we do.

[trophyhunt]

  trophyhunt- i remember that bull, a true giant. seen him many times. yea he was shot at night and left, game warden was called to the scene and had to dispatch him. somehow the tribe got that bull back too, had to do with Bruce being told to turn it over or lose his job right.......
   I know Bruce has seen allot, including white man breaking laws don't get me wrong, but i also would love to see him put a book out on the mucks negative influence on the white river herds (and others as well). Would shock and awe many people

Yes that was the bull, he was told just like you said to give it back or lose his job. I told him I would come get the antlers and he could say they were stolen but he wouldn't let me.  I absolutely realize that non native poach also, I hate it either way. The difference is the natives get to do it Right in front of our face and there is nothing we can do about it but bi tch on some web site that will eventually nuke us.  Yes, if he would ever write a book...wow. People might take notice, at least those who might do something about it.

[jstone]

Trophyhunt   

[coachcw]

DDOG73    You better know the facts about the ram killed on clemans , just because the kid had a tag dosn't mean it was taken legally. lets start rig 600 yards off green dot road , two guys shooting with one tag not knowing who hit the ram ( the wrong one i might add)lets not forget the ewe that got shot threw the front shoulder and left to lie and waste . then drag it up the mountain with 1600 feet of rope totally ruiening the cape . i might add a young ram 3 1/2 . SO if all thats the definition of a legal harvest then i guess your right. lets just say my friend those mucks wern't the only guys on the mountain that sunday ! oh I forgot loaded longuns in the lil white rig ! Now thats some ethical tribal hunting .

[trophyhunt]

You sure know alot about Muckleshoots, but we dont get all the money you think we do.

I used to know what each member got but time has taken it's toll on my memory, it was in the Seattle times I believe but that was years ago. As I recall each member received around 5 grand a month, anyone under 18 the money went to the adults or a fund not sure. I'm not trying to be a di ck but is that close?  I remember the confederate tribes of the United States were in a lawsuit or talks with you guys about it and that's when you guys said basically '' stick it''. If you don't mind me asking, and my memory is wrong. What does each family member get each month from the casino?

[trophyhunt]

DDOG73    You better know the facts about the ram killed on clemans , just because the kid had a tag dosn't mean it was taken legally. lets start rig 600 yards off green dot road , two guys shooting with one tag not knowing who hit the ram ( the wrong one i might add)lets not forget the ewe that got shot threw the front shoulder and left to lie and waste . then drag it up the mountain with 1600 feet of rope totally ruiening the cape . i might add a young ram 3 1/2 . SO if all thats the definition of a legal harvest then i guess your right. lets just say my friend those mucks wern't the only guys on the mountain that sunday ! oh I forgot loaded longuns in the lil white rig ! Now thats some ethical tribal hunting .

Wow, I never heard that detail about the incedent. That is just sickning.

[igotbigbulls]

trophy
if someone signed a contract with you now for your family to be protected and have the same rights you do now and nothing less and in 150 years from now all your family at that time with all the advancement of technology yet to come is benefiting more than other families in their eyes. you would want them to give up what you signed to protect as a way of life to please the "others" who think it is unfair for your family to have what your reserved for them. land, rights, or whatever? or you think it would be fair for whoever you signed the contract with to nullify that agreement?
our treaties are just that. like it or not. they arent going anywhere. but hopefully if poaching is done by a tribal member than they get what they got coming to them. i know tribal members who have been kicked out of the tribe and or had hunting rights removed because of poaching. so believe what you will but it does not go unnoticed by the tribes.

[lewy]

yep, well said. step up, pay taxes, join the country. one problem, and this isn't a slam, i don't know that they could. almost bred themselves to the point that they couldn't function in normal society

[whiteeyes]

We just want to move on as a society, as human beings. When your tribes continue to put yourselves above everyone else as if your a different nation within our God Blessed United States, it causes anger. It's time for the tribes to blend in (for lack of better words) with the rest of OUR country. The mucks are one of the richest tribes in the nation, even the rest of the tribes tried to get you guys to not give each family soo much money from the casino but the mucks said screw you, which I can understand your position on that.  Like I have said in different posts, the tribes are not anymore special than anyone else in this country. Times have changed, it's been over 150 years man. They had no friggin idea when they wrote the treaties how life, land and technology would change.  If they did the treaties wouldn't have been written like they were. Don't you think it's time for a change. End the hate, you guys deserve no more than any hard working person trying to take care of their family.  Why do you deserve special treatment??

Really, your going to throw that out there  CHANGE. I think we are all tired of that saying. There is no special treatment, its been on the books for more than 150 years. 

[igotbigbulls]

well...another comment best left unsaid. you do know we pay taxes right? you cant be that....ummm. cant function. the funny thing is is that we are people too. bashing and insults are a little mans game. IBEW brother.

[Ddog73]

Coach,  when I seen the ram I thought it was legally taken but I had heard about all facts you provided a week after the incident happened. The hunters did break rules and I hope they are punished for that.