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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 08:55:55 AM »
My cousin shot a bull several years ago in the Colockum, nice 2 x 2, when still legal, his first elk. Immediately after I watched him shoot, and stagger the bull another hunter down hill from the bull shot, and the bull fell over. Both hunters felt it was their elk, and there were obviously two bullet wounds, either of which would have been fatal. Very sticky situation, which I ended up being the referee. I suggested the coin flip to settle possession, and my cousin lost. The other guy was happy but not my cousin. I told him not to worry, that we would find another one tomorrow. Fortunately,we did find him a spike the next day, so all ended well, but definitely a touchy situation. I believe in the whoever draws first blood with my hunting partners, but in general it ends up being whoever immobilizes the animal.

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 09:07:11 AM »
There is no legal answer to this in Washington.  Some states have a "reduced to possession" clause which means the person that tags it, owns it, but not in Washington. If you ask an enforcement officer to decide, it's his discretion.  Most would rather have the two parties decide it.  How can an independent third party determine who "killed" it, who shot first/last, and so forth?  If it's a case of a trophy animal, then it could be subject to an extensive investigation.

I believe most would try to determine who made the first fatal hit, but that's not easy.
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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 09:29:53 AM »
We have always done whoever drew first blood. However, that is with friends and family. I guess it depends on where it's hit. If it was a grazing shot and the animal would not have died from it then I say it's yours.

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 09:48:50 AM »
Man, from the sounds of these stories I'm glad I'm a bowhunter...
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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2011, 09:52:39 AM »
This is an on going topic.  I agree with bobcat " If the first shot was a fatal shot, the first hunter should get the elk. If it was only a superficial wound, then the guy who put the second shot in it and killed it should get the elk. Just my opinion, not necessarily the law."   
But that is hard to tell sometime and I still see an argument happening most of the time.  My dad told me stories of years ago in the Colockum where you should wear running shoes when hunting because when shots were fired people would just run to tag the elk even if they never fired a shot. 

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2011, 09:54:36 AM »
Man, from the sounds of these stories I'm glad I'm a bowhunter...
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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2011, 10:01:28 AM »
Saw this with the same two archers two years in a row in the Colockum, who hunt from fixed blinds.  The first year, the second guy to put an arrow into it (both killing shots) claimed it, and got to keep it.  The first hunter was unhappy, but mature about it.  Second year, exact same scenario, except the second guy agreed the first one should tag it because he had gotten the first elk the previous year.
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2011, 10:15:34 AM »
If the first shot was a fatal shot, the first hunter should get the elk. If it was only a superficial wound, then the guy who put the second shot in it and killed it should get the elk. Just my opinion, not necessarily the law.

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2011, 10:48:29 AM »
I've seen some heated arguments over downed game in this "field scenario". Not a good place to be with adrenaline flowing and loaded guns. I think I would yield to the original shooter especially if he was in active pursuit.

I agree with longashes. I would also have in the back of my mind that I shot an animal that was already shot. I'm greedy and don't want my animals to die except from my arrow/bullet!

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2011, 11:04:38 AM »
I've seen some heated arguments over downed game in this "field scenario". Not a good place to be with adrenaline flowing and loaded guns. I think I would yield to the original shooter especially if he was in active pursuit.

I agree with longashes. I would also have in the back of my mind that I shot an animal that was already shot. I'm greedy and don't want my animals to die except from my arrow/bullet!

I agree with this statement. ^^^^^

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2011, 11:14:57 AM »
We have always done whoever drew first blood. However, that is with friends and family. I guess it depends on where it's hit. If it was a grazing shot and the animal would not have died from it then I say it's yours.

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2011, 12:00:57 PM »
You know these situation suck. There is a guy in our hunting camp that lost out on a 5x5 Bull about 12 years ago in Idaho. He was in a tree stand above a wallow and heard a gunshot above him. The bull ran right below him and he shot it right behind the shoulder and it dropped. By time he got to the bull there were three guys that came down to it as well. One of the guys immediately started saying it was his son's bull because he shot it first. Problem was that it only had one hole in it and our guy saw his impact. So since it was 3-1 at the time he ended up giving them the bull and just told them "when your eating this animal just rememeber who really shot it" and left. This guys son also lost a cow in a similar manner. My dad had done alot of scouting early in the season and told him to sit on the road and watch for these elk to appear from nowhere at a certain time as they had for the previous week in the same area. Well sure enough these elk appeared out of nowhere and he shot at one of them. The herd of cows ran parallel through the clearing; just around the corner another hunter shot and shortly after he shot the cow fell. After the animal was down and everyone is trying to figure out who the animal belonged to. The cow only had one hole in it but our guy couldn't remember where he shot from and where the elk was standing. Needless to say they didn't know where to begin looking for blood so it was a fault of his own and the other guy got the elk.

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2011, 12:26:05 PM »
Legally the individual that drops the elk.  Kills it.  Not the first one to the animal.  That is what starts fights.  If i shoot it and it goes 20 yards during its death march, which is common and some other yahoo starts cutting loose on it.  He will not be tagging the elk when it hits the dirt. 
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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2011, 04:17:48 PM »
My buddy shot a spike bull, and it followed the herd down the hill toward a road.  It was lung hit, I was watching the shot.  Well the elk drop down across the road and we hear 3 more shots, couple guys on quads shot the same bull my friend did and another one.  They tagged them both, but after a heated argument with my friend, the cops were called.  The sheriff shows up, both parties explain the situation, the sherif has us walk him to the blood trail leading down to the bull where the other guys shot it.  Sherrif tells all of us that there is no doubt my friends shot was lethal and the animal would have expired soon and even though the other guys put the final shot in the animal that it was my buddies bull.  He explained that its the first lethal shot even if the animal isn't dead yet.  Thats what happened wether the sherif was correct or not.  The other guys pulled off their tag and my buddy put his on.  It was the last hour, last day of the season in the Coweeman unit back when it was spike only, the bull had only gone about 100 yards from where my friend shot to where the other guys shot. 

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Re: who has rights to it?
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2011, 04:33:19 PM »
Thats what happened wether the sherif was correct or not. 

Sounds like the Deputy was kind shooting from the hip.  Not that it wasn't warranted or offered a reasonable solution to a situation which could have gotten ugly

 


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