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Need help picking a muzzleloader
« on: November 17, 2011, 08:27:54 AM »
So, I would imagine this topic has been hashed out many a time so my apologies if it has.  I have rifle hunted for the past 30 or so years but am definately getting a muzzleloader for deer next year.  Probably won't be hunting elk and needs to be legal for this state.  I would prefer something with a synthetic stock and probably stainless barrel.  I was told .50 cal would probably be best?   Where does a guy start in trying to decide?   Sights, bullets, etc...  Thanks in advance
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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 08:30:48 AM »
Knight bighorn. .50 cal

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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 09:24:14 AM »
You could always go with a true traditional muzzleloader. There is no difference between the range of both styles and you dont have to worry about if its legal in the state. What I mean about not worrying is, the traditional style have exposed ignition source and open sights. The new style has so many opitions that you can be illegal in a minute The traditional styles are easier to clean and you dont need a tool box for all the tools that you need for the new ones. I'm a big fan of the traditional muzzleloader not any of this inline BS if you cant tell.

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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 11:18:00 AM »
So, I would imagine this topic has been hashed out many a time so my apologies if it has.  I have rifle hunted for the past 30 or so years but am definately getting a muzzleloader for deer next year.  Probably won't be hunting elk and needs to be legal for this state.  I would prefer something with a synthetic stock and probably stainless barrel.  I was told .50 cal would probably be best?   Where does a guy start in trying to decide?   Sights, bullets, etc...  Thanks in advance

This is an easy one for me... A Knight DISC Extreme with a Western Kit installed.  It might be an overkill since the Big Horn will do a lot of the same but the DISC offers some really nice enhancements.

OK… but remember this is just my personal opinion, which in my house seems to carry no weight at all!

Knight over TC… for me this one is not to difficult… The only TC that would be legal to hunt with during ML season is a slow 1/48 twist in the bore.  Not that the 1/48 is that bad but it can limit what you can shoot effectively – so I pass on that.  If you were able to use a regular TC like a Triumph to hunt with vs.  Knight – that would be a little tougher decision but again one I could easily make as I have both guns and much prefer the Knight.

Now then… Big Horn vs. DISC Extreme…  There are several reasons that I prefer the DISC vs. the Big Horn and it has nothing to do with accuracy as both guns are or can be deadly accurate.  For me it comes down to two main things… Reliability and versatility, and again remember this is just my opinion, I much prefer the semi-closed breech area the DISC provides vs. the large open breech area of the Big Horn.  As an example I would offer this scenario… when I hunt with the Big Horn, or MK 85 in my case, I always have to pay attention to what debris have fallen into the open breech.  It is so easy for that area to collect many things such as Tamarack needles, pieces of small sticks, rain, snow, and etc.  I can bet you can think of some other stuff that could/can get in that area while hunting.  Then! Will any of these interfere with the action of the hammer and possibly stop ignition.

With the DISC most of these problems are gone with the semi-closed breech area.  In addition if you get the correct #11 nipple and have the cap installed correctly on the nipple you are almost water proof.  Any worry out the door.  The other thing the new Western bolt with the bolt hood provides even more protection to the breech area…

In this picture you can see how much more protected the breech area is but yet complies with Washington, Idaho, and Oregon rules…

 



I also believe the DISC offers you the versatility to change the gun back to 209 ignition, drop a scope on and have a viable ML that can be used in other seasons… (I am thinking that Washington has other draw opportunities for ML hunts and you can use a more modern ML). I do not even hunt with a centerfire any longer just tack up my DISC to a modern ML and I hunt rifle season with it…

 

Hope some of this helps… any other questions just give a shout…

We have some of the same rules that you do during the ML season so for a sight I use the Williams FP peep sight with a fiber optic front sight with a Fire Sight Hood.





Bullets… I would offer two choices… first choice would be a Knight Bloodline .452-250 grain bullet and second choice would be a Speer .452-250 gain HP Deep Curl.

This is a 300 grain but the 250 is about the same…





These are some pictures of the Speer Deep Curls. They are a bonded bullet with controlled expansion.



This might help explain the Speer Gold Dot now called a Deep Curl



Hope some of this might help….
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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 02:07:31 PM »
Wow, that was everything I ever needed to know about muzzleloading and more.  I think I will go to the local gunshop today and see what Knight's they have available.  Thanks a lot for the very detailed information.  Nathan  (BT)
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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 02:25:53 PM »
You could always go with a true traditional muzzleloader. There is no difference between the range of both styles and you dont have to worry about if its legal in the state. What I mean about not worrying is, the traditional style have exposed ignition source and open sights. The new style has so many opitions that you can be illegal in a minute The traditional styles are easier to clean and you dont need a tool box for all the tools that you need for the new ones. I'm a big fan of the traditional muzzleloader not any of this inline BS if you cant tell.

I tend to agree.

One idea you could look into is if you can find a used TC Renegade and replace the factory barrel with a Green Mountain barrel (50 cal and 1:28 twist).  Then you'll have the more modern 1:28 twist barrel and the much simpler lock.  I have an Austin & Halleck inline and a 54 cal TC Renegade..........I've been thinking about buying a replacement barrel, for some time now, for the Renegade.  The barrel costs about $200.
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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 03:23:05 PM »
Another great option is the Lyman Hunter from Cabelas. Traditional look and feel with a set trigger and a 1: 28 fast twist barrel. Take the factory rear  and front sight off and put a peep sight and a small front sight on and you are in business. We have rigged two like this and they both shoot 2 inch groups at 100yds.

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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 04:16:34 PM »
Disc extreme by far is the best muzzle loader I have owned. That's what I would suggest. Sabotloader gave you all the info you need on the gun
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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 06:12:44 PM »
Disc extreme by far is the best muzzle loader I have owned. That's what I would suggest. Sabotloader gave you all the info you need on the gun



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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 07:35:34 AM »
Just to be fair, the Knight Bighorn also can covert to 209 if needed by exchanging breech plugs, but why someone would want to is beyond me.

Ditto on the T/C Renegade in .54 caliber.  Great guns, irregardless of twist.  I have a renegade I bought in the mid 70's, a couple Bighorns and a couple Wolverines.  All are dependable with proper care and the right caps. 

Ditto on the Williams peep site.  Put the same sight on my Wolverine camo/ blued...only blued in color on that sight.  Google egunparts......much cheaper....$35.03, instead of $65-$80.  The blued one is the same price.  A whole lot cheaper than anywhere else.  Here's the link.  By the way, I just looked and they increased their price from $35.03 to $35.10.  Damn economy. :chuckle:

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Search.aspx?catid=0&filter=881130

Good luck.
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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2011, 07:49:36 AM »
If you have any interest in building a gun, look at a thread I started on the fire'. I am a small time custom rifle builder who wanted to look into a front stuffer.....what I found is accuracy can be sub moa to several hundred yards with the right ingredients. Be sure to look at digi dans links.....that guy is a bp bible. I will be building an Allen boxlock with custom tweaks this year and hope to be banging pop cans at 300 plus with the boys.

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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2011, 08:01:47 AM »
I think Sabotloader covered this one !!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:

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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2011, 10:51:45 PM »
I have a TC Black Diamond.  Dropped everyhing I have shot with it.  3 bulls and 2 bucks.  Nice ajustable trigger.  Shoot with Precision sabots.  Wouldn't trade it for anything. :tup:

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Re: Need help picking a muzzleloader
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2011, 07:15:37 PM »
If I was in the Market for a front stuffer I'd look online for a Ruger 77/50..  Ruger doesn't produce them anymore but they are around.
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