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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2011, 01:41:18 PM »
Like I said.  The TRIBES WILL RAPE IT FOR ALL ITS WORTH! :twocents:

Does Fishingnut ever post anything constructive?  :bash: I went through a lot of his posts, and I'd say 90% are just like this.  I think he needs to change his forum name a bit, drop the fishing and 71
Posts like that are a shame.  He's clearly not making any effort at beign constructive.  :DOH:

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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2011, 01:48:05 PM »
Colockum,

Is there a problem involving elk in this state that you CAN'T fix?  Seriously, If the state would only listen to you we'd have plenty of elk and everybody would be happy...well except tribes, farmers, rifle hunters, antis, wolves, biologists, atv riders, disabled hunters, democrats, the creator, me, bigfoot....and just about everyone else on this site who constantly disagree's with your hair brain ideas :chuckle:

Hey I resemble that remark.   :chuckle:  In my last post I actually didn't offer and advice to solve any problems.  I just made complaints and pissed and moaned without any constructive ways to fix things.   :IBCOOL:

Maybe we should all pitch in and move them all to the clockum :twocents:

I would 100% support this if the WDFW and DNR would help solve the road access issues which are the main reason why there is such low escapement.  This would be an excellant way to help solve the shortage of branch bulls, but....  it would only be short term since within a few years they would all be dead and we would be back to square one.   :bash:
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2011, 01:48:34 PM »
I'm glad they're bringing some more up to Pend Oreille County.  It was a boon for the elk herd a decade or so back and I hope it will further increase genetic diversity.  :tup:

I don't think they are! That info I posted was from 2000.
That was my point. Why not augment other herds?

I would like to see it completely restructured so that the head of the WDFW, could be voted in and voted out by the people.

Yes exactly...
Is there anyone on this forum that is knowledgeable enough to be willing to guide "us" through the processes that need to happen in regards to our state wildlife dept?

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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2011, 04:21:22 PM »
Holy cow. They are finally going to do somethiacle of all miracles. I hope that tjey have enough money to do it right . That would be awesome. I wish I could attend and say my piece on what needs to be closed. If anything there needs to be a 1 mile buffer around the Arthur Coffin game preserve. This alone would make huge strides to escapement.
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2011, 04:23:43 PM »
Colockum.. PM me your inputs and ideas, I will get them out at the meeting. 
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2011, 07:12:18 PM »
That would be outstanding. I will have them to you by Thursday.  Thankyou so much. 
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2011, 10:27:37 PM »
Relocation is very expensive.  Also there is often a low survival of relocated elk.   If you do not move far enough they will find there way back.  They have been know to travel very long distances.  If memory serves me correct there is a documented case of approximately 200km (124miles) as the crow flies.  So how many 100's of miles she really travel was unknown.  took her year or two.  Now it you find an area with top grade food than they may stay.  Short an simple, hunting is a cost effective way to achieve the goal and provides opportunity.

They captured elk at hanford and released 75 in 113 years ago and if I remember right only 2 died

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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2011, 06:55:06 AM »
cloc thanks for your imput and thank's to nwhunter for presenting the plans that you have . I know that clossing the road that borders the preserve would be huge in gaining some esscapment around it . my only concern would be that givin the terran the natives would just drive right around the clossures . last weekend I saw them driving where ever they wanted .

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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2011, 07:46:56 AM »
Like I said.  The TRIBES WILL RAPE IT FOR ALL ITS WORTH! :twocents:

Does Fishingnut ever post anything constructive?  :bash: I went through a lot of his posts, and I'd say 90% are just like this.  I think he needs to change his forum name a bit, drop the fishing and 71
Posts like that are a shame.  He's clearly not making any effort at beign constructive.  :DOH:
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2011, 08:09:08 AM »
Holy crap... If you do not like reading his post use the ignore function on this site.

He has the right to say what every he wants.  I cannot tell you how many people have died for him to have that right.  So use the technology provided to ignore his legal right. 
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2011, 08:16:49 AM »
Relocation is very expensive.  Also there is often a low survival of relocated elk.   If you do not move far enough they will find there way back.  They have been know to travel very long distances.  If memory serves me correct there is a documented case of approximately 200km (124miles) as the crow flies.  So how many 100's of miles she really travel was unknown.  took her year or two.  Now it you find an area with top grade food than they may stay.  Short an simple, hunting is a cost effective way to achieve the goal and provides opportunity.

They captured elk at hanford and released 75 in 113 years ago and if I remember right only 2 died
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2011, 05:48:39 PM »
Colockum,
No worries, if the WDFW is going to talk about it, I want to make sure they get some solid feedback/ideas.
:yike: OH you are a brave soul! you better get with them before the meeting and explain how much time you are going to need  :chuckle: JK
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2011, 05:58:40 PM »
I guess realistically the elk will move to the un-huntable areas across the highway.  :dunno:

So if they do manage to eliminate 350 cows and half of those would have calves thats 550 elk they are killing  :dunno:
Why not relocate some like they did several years back. I mean that's a lot of elk.

But, in their minds I'm sure it's another special permit fee...$$$
K to start out I will admitt I didn't read all the posts you put on Jager but if my memory serves my correctly when they did that years back it ended with very stressed elk that a good portion died as a result of and as for the ones that survived the transplant, a good amount migrated back to Hanford!  :dunno: Please don't read this as the bible, I am quoting my memory not any reports or forms! Just thought I would throw out the what I have.  :hello:
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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2011, 06:32:58 PM »
 I agree, this will be a cluster before they ever get started.  first mistake was to publicise it.  Should have jsut showed up in next years drawings as jsut anonter draw hunt.

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Re: WDFW wants to reduce the Hanford herd by 350.
« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2011, 06:48:43 PM »
 


My point was the hunting will only exacerbate the problem by pushing the elk across the highway. and onto private property where they will do damage. Both of these end results will have drastic consequences.  :twocents:

Why kill all cows when they are the ones that will carry the young? As I said, 1 cow killed = 2 elk.
They have been talking about reducing and controlling the population since before the relocation...They have failed..... surprise, surprise.

There were a couple of different "roundups"
I do know the NE corner got about a hundred elk...and with all due respect 400,...I'm pretty sure those elk didn't migrate back.

Are people opposed to relocating?
It just seems like such a waste to kill them. Don't get me wrong...I have no problem with hunting them...but It seems like a bad idea to me.
Relocation may be costly but we have the resources why not utilize them...I'd much rather pay for this than wolf feasibility studies.

According to what I've read the Hanford population grows by about 25% +/- per year.
So, do they then open the hunting back up in 5 years to cull more elk or do they have a continual season?


Without spending all night researching, this is what I could find...


Fifteen elk died in a three-day roundup at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation this week, seven from stress after being too tightly packed into a corral, a state wildlife manager said Friday.

Earlier this week, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service acknowledged only four deaths when it said the roundup was ending prematurely because of problems getting and keeping the elk corralled.

Two elk also died during a February test roundup of 20 head.

All told, "we handled 174 elk and lost 17," said Dale Bambrick, regional director in Yakima for the state Department of Fish and Wildlife.

Though the projected mortality rate for the project was 5 percent to 10 percent, based.



Thursday, March 9, 2000


Hanford elk roundup suddenly goes awry
By Linda Ashton
The Associated Press
YAKIMA - Sixty elk broke free of a corral at the Hanford nuclear reservation yesterday, severely injuring three and bringing an early end to a wildlife roundup. The injured elk were destroyed.

"It ended not really well," said Kathy Criddle, an information specialist for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

A helicopter cowboy had herded the elk from the Rattlesnake Hills into the figure-eight corral yesterday morning, the second day the animals had been brought in.

"It all went perfectly, like (Tuesday). Then they busted through the fence, knocked about 20 feet down, and they all escaped," Criddle said.

Three elk were trampled as the herd bolted. They were humanely destroyed, and Wanapum tribal members butchered the carcasses.

Wildlife managers had hoped to round up 200 elk this week from the 120-square-mile Arid Lands Ecology Reserve on the western edge of the nuclear reservation.

They ended up with 130 elk, half of which were transported by livestock trailer to the Selkirk Range in northeastern Washington and half to the Blue Mountains in southeastern Washington. Twenty other elk were moved to the Blue  mountains last month after they were tested for disease and radiation exposure.

"Basically, that's it. We're done for the year," Criddle said.

What had been called the largest wildlife roundup in the state was a challenge from the beginning. On Monday the helicopter crew couldn't move the herd from a chute through the gate into the corral. One elk died.

Several modifications were made to the gateway, including doubling its width to 20 feet, in hopes of eliminating whatever had alarmed the herd.

On Tuesday the aerial cowboys rounded up 150 elk, and 130 were moved to the  Blue Mountains. Twenty were released yesterday morning because they'd been held captive too long, Criddle said.

The relocation program is part of a plan to manage the size of the fast-growing Hanford elk herd, which is estimated at nearly 1,000 head.

The big animals pose a threat to fragile shrub-steppe vegetation on the no-hunting reserve, and they have wandered outside its boundaries to eat nearby farmers' crops.

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