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Quote from: ICEMAN on December 04, 2011, 07:13:14 PMBigtex, good point. Here is the question though. Why fine or charge unreporting anyway? Do the numbers they glean from the reporting actually truly help the managers "manage" game populations? Are game numbers reported this fall really truly altering how they manage next years hunt? I would have expected managers to have a bigger plan than this yearly reporting. They should be able to manage on a long range plan, and not be quick to fine somebody for that immediate answer they do not need. Don't wildlife managers already estimate the number of game animals poached or killed by vehicles, or tribal take (reported and not...). Are we going to start citing drivers who do not report striking a deer with their car? Wildlife managers are paid to do what? Wait for hunters to report what they "said happened", and then blindly manage game populations based upon these numbers? This is not what they studied for all those years in college. Let's throw away all our education and place all of our career decisions based upon what alot of pissed off hunters report....yeah! Yeah, this is how we will manage game populations!I bet wildlife already has a "false reporting" average built into their number gathering. They already suspect that a whole lot of the reports are false, and therefore are pushing this mandatory reporting issue as revenue source plain and simple. Yes, these are only my BS observations and assumptions. So be it, this is how I see it.You fine people for not reporting so that hopefully they remember to report next time. If most people actually gave two sheets about management and quit buying into all of the conspiracy theory BS then maybe there wouldn't have to be fines. Yes the information truly helps managers. Yes, managers can manage off this falls data. It is called emergency closures if needed. Managers do manage based off a big picture, but the big picture is painted from annual snapshots of data. People must have the perception that wildlife managers are rolling in money and that they only manage hunted species and that they get to choose where they focus their time. There is not enough time or money in a year to survey every GMU annually. DOT keeps a database of road killed animals which are reported, discovered poached animals are reported and a large portion of tribal harvest is reported. Iceman, I will ignore your ignorance on what wildlife managers are paid to do and what they went to school for. You obviously have a small vision of what it takes to manage wildlife and what resources this state has to do it. I can't fathom why it is so difficult to report your harvest. If so called sportsmen who claim they care about the resource can't fill out a simple harvest report, then in my opinion you have no business hunting. You obviously are someone who disregards rules and does not have the best intent for wildlife in general.But thats my observation. I probably have it all wrong.
Bigtex, good point. Here is the question though. Why fine or charge unreporting anyway? Do the numbers they glean from the reporting actually truly help the managers "manage" game populations? Are game numbers reported this fall really truly altering how they manage next years hunt? I would have expected managers to have a bigger plan than this yearly reporting. They should be able to manage on a long range plan, and not be quick to fine somebody for that immediate answer they do not need. Don't wildlife managers already estimate the number of game animals poached or killed by vehicles, or tribal take (reported and not...). Are we going to start citing drivers who do not report striking a deer with their car? Wildlife managers are paid to do what? Wait for hunters to report what they "said happened", and then blindly manage game populations based upon these numbers? This is not what they studied for all those years in college. Let's throw away all our education and place all of our career decisions based upon what alot of pissed off hunters report....yeah! Yeah, this is how we will manage game populations!I bet wildlife already has a "false reporting" average built into their number gathering. They already suspect that a whole lot of the reports are false, and therefore are pushing this mandatory reporting issue as revenue source plain and simple. Yes, these are only my BS observations and assumptions. So be it, this is how I see it.
How much do you want to bet that some jackazz lowly state employee like myself, and about 5 good ol' boys could put together a better game management plan that actually preserves big game populations for generations to come, better than a truck load of educated biologists and game management professionals?
I use to think like some on here and not report when it wasnt mandatory or you didn't get fined, but the last couple years I reported correctly. I do however think its bs you get fined if you don't, I just think you should get an incentive if you do, like a discount on your license next year, in a sence you kinda do with the way it is now, report now or pay ten dollars next year, it should be report now and save ten dollars next year, the way they go about it now puts you on the defensive, and has anybody ever known anybody to draw an incentive tag for reporting, they say they give them out if you do it in a timely matter?
the incentive tag is like throwing a sugar cube to a bear , just a lil treat . Give out one or two more raffle tags and make money off them so that they can install some more gates! Save the time and money spent on cloecting the data . I know the in a couple of days I can cover a unit or two and tell you from a sportsman standpoint whether or not the games dropped in a area, or how about ussing our master hunters to gather data it would be a good way to put in there time requirements ( just a thaught) I don't wanna bash Indians in gerneral because I know there are good sportsman and land stewarts amoungist the tribe and they belong to the sight aswell as there are non tribal poaching *censored*s aswell . But atleast we all know that poaching is illegal and if you get caught your delt with , some of the tribal harvest I've seen really looks simillar to poaching in the manner thegame is taken asfar as the yaks working on management what I hear and see is more about them getting 50% of the harvest vers doing whats right for the herd. I know that they got 10 teiton sheep tags and to me that seemed a bit much . one yak member on here drew one and worked very hard to fill his tag on a quality ram , that tells me that there's not to many in that herd 5-10 quality rams (maybe) . the mucks I saw that drew one of them clemans tag just drove up and saw a group of sheep and started to shot , they had no idea what a even decent ram was or just didn't care . that seem chitty to me since many members would love a tag yet never draw one in there life time . again thank you to all the tribal member that are trying to bridge the gap between us and work towards management , your not the one's i'm flustraited with .
piano thats not true , If you go into a area in the winter you can get a real good Idea of the level of game , true you wont know how far they traveled to get there but you get a good idea . if you and I fill out a report like we do , and say harvest 20 deer out of a unit , then tribal hunters show up in nov and december and shoot fiffty or more ( wich they do ) then how accurate is the tool ? all legall harvesting needs to be reported or you still have to go out and do the hard survival counts any way . that data they are gathering isn't woth a crap . the only reason that they arn't ussing the counts in my oppion is because when you know the servertity of the problem you have to do something . Now as it is all they can do is to take oppourtuntiy away from licenced sportsman thus cutting into there revenue base.
