Wolves - Managing Breeding Pairs

[Special T]

http://www.environmental-studies.de/products/07/accessories.html
http://www.atstrack.com/index.asp?pageID=64
Here are just a couple of examples of stuff available...

I think the key however is what CP asked earlier..
"What is the definition of proof of a breeding pair"
Without that definition there can be NO documented BP's Clarification on this issue is necessary for 2 reasons. 1 it holds the WDFW accountable 2 it provides a way forward. I wouldn't be surprised if they agreed to the BP numbers but have no definition to what constituded proof.

[wraithen]

I will take DNA results and send them into maury. We will find out the pups mommy and daddy. If there's a tryst, does that count as 1 1/2 bps?

[CedarPants]

Cedar, I bet we could catch enough of the blind followers to fund what we need before they catch on. I don't think that the majority actually research what they're told.

Very valid point.

I make every effort to engage these people in discussions.  A lot of times I'm just wasting my breath with certain "groups within their group" (I've lost track of how many times I've been told the best solution would be for a season to be open on hunters and that I am killed, leaving my family to fend for themselves without me) - but there are "groups within their group" that fall into the category you've described (not actually researching what they are told).  These are the ones we would need to convince that the monitoring is a good thing

[wraithen]

The truth has never stopped a fanatic. Especially a blind one. Ok so first things first. How do we get an answer as to proof of bp?

[KillBilly]

http://www.environmental-studies.de/products/07/accessories.html
http://www.atstrack.com/index.asp?pageID=64
Here are just a couple of examples of stuff available...

I think the key however is what CP asked earlier..
"What is the definition of proof of a breeding pair"
Without that definition there can be NO documented BP's Clarification on this issue is necessary for 2 reasons. 1 it holds the WDFW accountable 2 it provides a way forward. I wouldn't be surprised if they agreed to the BP numbers but have no definition to what constituded proof.

The only definition is: Wolf Plan & WDFW definition of a successful breeding pair:
(a male and female with 2 or more pups that survive to Dec. 31)  I have not found any mention of the type of proof required.

[wraithen]

Sounds like we're dead in the water then. How can we get proof without a clear definition of proof.

[woodswalker]

So far the only way I can see it happening is if they can successfully trap and collar both parents and pups. Of course the pups collars would have to be changed as they grow. If not collared then they would be very hard to tell which set of parents they belong to. 3 years is a long time even to track one breeding pair let alone locate and track multiple BPs.

That is the whole point...set the bar WAY high...then its never met...so they dont get managed...just let to run and eat all the game that we as hunters have paid for over and over again.

[Woodchuck]

Which is the point I was trying to make. The whole thing is as non-specific as it can be. Leads me to think that it is just paper to give us hope when there is really no hope of a definite end game. Other than to let em run rampant.

[wraithen]

We can shove a plan down their throats too. If we get a SOLID idea out before the protest in april we should be able to sway enough people into questioning what's really going on.

[Special T]

I have asked a few people that are involved with this issue in ID... A large part of the problem is that there is no definion of proof. So litteraly they could tell you whatever proof you provide isn't good enough, unless they get it.