Did someone smoke a couple wolves in the Teanaway?

[haugenna]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

[pianoman9701]

Hunters need to learn how to market the benefits of hunting, scientific game management, and conservation to the majority of voters. [/quote]

Personally I'm tired of this attitude, I've read this drivel for 20+ years, "don't tell people that it is in our genes to hunt, that it is part of our culture, that we have dominion over the animals, and that we have the right to manage those animals to OUR benefit, animals don't have rights!"  That's why we're here now, once we have wolves there is no need for "scientific game management"!  We've dug our own grave!
[/quote]

You apparently didn't understand my comments. Please re-read them. I never said to not tell people about our hunting culture or to deny that hunting is part of our being. I never said I care anything about animal rights.

Quite the opposite. I think non-hunters need to be reminded by us about the history, conservation, and benefits of hunting and game management, and how hunting is a part of our evolution and being. I was saying that when we publicly endorse illegal activities, we run the risk of losing our privileges. We have to learn how to educate people about hunting without making them think we're more extreme than the animal rights wackos.

Get all pissy if you want to, Stuckalot, but you don't need to convince hunters of your beliefs. That 7% of the population already agrees with you. It's the other 93% that could go either way. And, if your stance of "I'm tired of this attitude, I've read this drivel for 20+ years" makes you not care to communicate effectively with and educate non-hunters about the truth with regards to hunting and conservation, the animal rights wackos will certainly step in and push their version instead.

Getting non-hunting people to understand and support what we do won't be accomplished by telling them we're going to poach an endangered species whether they like it or not. It's going to be done by educating in a non-confrontational manner.

[pianoman9701]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

The state, nor the feds have released any wolves into WA. Period. We have documentation, we have letters from both. Any state or federal employee who would publicly state they have not and does anyway would find a quick end to their career. They have to go through the NEPA process, public commenting, trapping, quarantine, which all take huge amounts of money that's not budgeted. It's not happening in WA, has not happened, and probably will never happen. You need to read more about the plan and the history of wolves in WA. We have plenty of problems with the wolf plan without making stuff up. 

We know this week, that a single wolf traveled over 300 miles and entered CA. It's not at all difficult to believe a wolf can move 50 miles into WA from ID or Canada.

[Curly]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

I wonder why "it knocks his socks off"?  Why is it so hard to believe that the Teanaway would be a likely spot for wolves to have pups?

[stuckalot]

My point Piano is that for too many years we've tried to sell our sport to "mainstream" society by demonstrating the virtues of "scientific management" and down playing WHY we as individuals hunt, and why we feel we have a "right" (though not in this state) to hunt. Now with the proliferation of apex predators there is no need for hunting as we've sold it to the public.

[high country]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

I wonder why "it knocks his socks off"?  Why is it so hard to believe that the Teanaway would be a likely spot for wolves to have pups?

Because he is a biologist. Biologists only know what they study. Wolves in semi urban areas have not been studied. Most sited data comes from a park or areas with huge numbers of caribou. I think the next decade will rewrite science in regards to wolf studies.

[pianoman9701]

Stuckalot, I don't know how you've been "selling hunting", but I haven't been selling it by downplaying anything. And, if we can't convince "mainstream society" that what we do is vital and why, the antis will convince them that it isn't.

I want to ask you how much time you've spent studying hunting and hunting culture, other than to say "it's in our genes". Do you know the details of the Pittman Robertson Act, when it was passed and when it was amended? Do you know how much money has been raised by it? Do you know how its money is collected? Do you know what the percentage of hunters is to the general population in the US or what it was in the 1970s? Do you realize that we have about half the number of hunters that we had back then? How about the Lacey Act? Do you know when it was passed and by whom? What it created and what it prohibited? Do you know the population of elk in WA? Do you know what it was in 1900? Do you know all of the provisions of the Wolf Plan? Do you know how many whitetail deer there are in the US as opposed to their number in 1900? These are important facts and figures that every hunter concerned about our sport should know.

If you don't know these things intimately, you can't expect to educate people who don't know anything about hunting and bring them to support us in the voting booth. If you do, good for you. Start using it. This is the crux of my point. When we're uneducated about the culture of hunting, we can't expect to educate the non-hunters to support us. The good ole boy attitude of "screw them, I'm going to do what I want" isn't going to work anymore. It's going to kill our sport

I watched a movie last night and during every single commercial break they had an HSUS commercial, full of half-truths and outright lies, pulling at the heartstrings of everyone watching. If you don't know what the HSUS really is and are able to tell someone who thinks they should send in a donation, they're going to keep growing and fighting hunting and winning. These people are serious about ending hunting forever. How serious are you about keeping it alive?

[haugenna]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

The state, nor the feds have released any wolves into WA. Period. We have documentation, we have letters from both. Any state or federal employee who would publicly state they have not and does anyway would find a quick end to their career. They have to go through the NEPA process, public commenting, trapping, quarantine, which all take huge amounts of money that's not budgeted. It's not happening in WA, has not happened, and probably will never happen. You need to read more about the plan and the history of wolves in WA. We have plenty of problems with the wolf plan without making stuff up. 

We know this week, that a single wolf traveled over 300 miles and entered CA. It's not at all difficult to believe a wolf can move 50 miles into WA from ID or Canada.

1 wolf looking for a mate will travel all over.  Why would an entire pack relocate?  I doubt the state has relocated them, but it is possible someone did. 

[haugenna]

Is this the wolf you were talking about?

 

[BurleyDog]

I read the article about the WA wolf killed in Idaho.

Its scary to see the comment about how the washington hunting forum condones poaching.... 

[Lowedog]

Who said an entire pack relocated?  There have been reports of wolves for years in the Teanaway.  For as long as wolves were reported in the Methow there were also sightings in the Teanaway. 

Seems much more logical to me that some of the Lookout pack headed south and hooked up with wolves in the Teanaway to form a new pack. 

[Curly]

Is this the wolf you were talking about?

 

That is hilarious.   

[pianoman9701]

I read the article about the WA wolf killed in Idaho.

Its scary to see the comment about how the washington hunting forum condones poaching.... 

It doesn't say that. It says there are comments from some on the forum who condone it. There are also strong comments from two site administrators and myself who oppose poaching in any form and will cooperate with authorities to stop it.

[pianoman9701]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

The state, nor the feds have released any wolves into WA. Period. We have documentation, we have letters from both. Any state or federal employee who would publicly state they have not and does anyway would find a quick end to their career. They have to go through the NEPA process, public commenting, trapping, quarantine, which all take huge amounts of money that's not budgeted. It's not happening in WA, has not happened, and probably will never happen. You need to read more about the plan and the history of wolves in WA. We have plenty of problems with the wolf plan without making stuff up. 

We know this week, that a single wolf traveled over 300 miles and entered CA. It's not at all difficult to believe a wolf can move 50 miles into WA from ID or Canada.

1 wolf looking for a mate will travel all over.  Why would an entire pack relocate?  I doubt the state has relocated them, but it is possible someone did.

It has been alleged that wolves have been released by private individuals. If they're caught, the fines and jail time are steep.

Young wolves do leave established packs to start their own. Packs normally number between 10-25 animals. As pups are born and grow into adults, they may challenge the alphas and either banish the alphas or be banished themselves to begin new packs. They have to move great distances so they're not attacked for invading the territory of an existing pack. Radio-collared wolves have been tracked many hundreds of miles into WA to set up new packs.

[Lowedog]

It is really disappointing to me that the administrators of this forum continue to allow posts like haugenna's above on this forum.