SINGLED OUT and tired of paying for fees

[sebek556]

bikes dont burn fossil fuels but they still use rubber, still need roads and bike lanes. We pay millions of dollars for them to pedal around, without paying a F'n dime. We pay for the roads and bike lanes for them through car tabs and taxes on gas.  I think its time they either pay up also or walk cause atleast when they walk they are off the road a car or truck paid for.

[runamuk]

Every OTHER vehicle that uses the public roadways has to be licensed, I don't see why there should be any difference for bicycle riders.

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

I mostly drive my truck that I have licensed, so I shouldn't have to license my motorcycle for the few times I drive it right?   

I've already stated the reason. They don't burn up fossil fuels and they don't pollute. You don't make it more expensive for people to do something that benefits us all.

then with this line of thought any vehicle that runs off clean fuels also shouldnt be taxed licensed or registered  you all do realize the technology to have a car run on water or compressed air or many non fossil fuel alternatives have been around and buried since the 70's.....so there could be lots of vehicles that dont use fossil fuels if we really wanted them...not just bicycles

[Atroxus]

I can't believe that there are people actually advocating MORE taxes/fees for the government rather than trying to get rid of the ones we have now. Apparently some people think ridiculous taxes/fees are perfectly fine, as long as it is someone else paying them.

[Hunterman]

This is "The Land of the Free" as long as you pay out the butt for it 

Just a case in point..I drive my truck( that I pay for raods with), I drive my wifes Jeep(that I pay for raods with)I tow my boat on a trailer(that I pay for roads with), haven't I paid enough for the roads so I can ride my bike on if I want to??

Hunterman(Tony)

[pianoman9701]

I can't believe that there are people actually advocating MORE taxes/fees for the government rather than trying to get rid of the ones we have now. Apparently some people think ridiculous taxes/fees are perfectly fine, as long as it is someone else paying them.

It's OK if it's to increase fees and taxes for the other guy. 

This thread got jacked wicked! It started out about the Discover Pass and became a rant about bicycles and their evildoer riders.

Like Bobcat pointed out, most people who ride bikes do have cars and pay for the roads and improvements, like anyone else in the state. I would argue that having bike lanes helps drivers to avoid killing a bicyclist. This keeps down our insurance, emergency vehicle and services use, and saves lives. Are some bicyclists real jerks when they're on their bikes? Sure. Are some motorists? All the time. Road rage, anyone?

As far as the Discover Pass is concerned, the state needs more revenue to continue running parks and caring for natural resources. Everything's more expensive. If you want to play, you've got to pay. Harsh reality time, folks. It's the law. Pay $30 now or pay $99 tomorrow. How much you pay is all in the choice you make. If you want to get mad about it, no problem. You're going to be mad a lot.

[wraithen]

Most of these things are not i fact more expensive. They are generally cheaper or the same price when inflation is considered. The issue is that while the state asks for more every year than inflation could cause, they also spend more money for their pet projects. Curtail handout programs and bump up the necessary things like hiring more police and many of these users that abuse the system will leave or start getting busted because they turned into criminals so they wouldn't have to work for something.

[Special T]

REMEMBER, this is about taking $$$ from one group to support another! $3 for each WDFW and DNR is NOTHING! this is for the WA parks... My mother buys one.. She has fond memories of going to the park when young, and loves to take my daughter. I personally don't like going, so i won't buy one... If there was an even split, i probably would buy one, but that would defeat the whole purpose of it... RAISE $$$ FOR PARKS!

[Dhoey07]

Every OTHER vehicle that uses the public roadways has to be licensed, I don't see why there should be any difference for bicycle riders.

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

I mostly drive my truck that I have licensed, so I shouldn't have to license my motorcycle for the few times I drive it right?   

I've already stated the reason. They don't burn up fossil fuels and they don't pollute. You don't make it more expensive for people to do something that benefits us all.

Riding bikes on roads doesn't benefit us as much as it costs us. Sure we have less fossil fuels, but the cost to add bike lanes is more than you might think. As well as making roads more dangerous.

[JimmyHoffa]

Not to mention traffic congestion due to bikes.  Sure have your hobby, but when it is recreation not commuting I can get irritated by it.  A few examples, in spring/summer they will have bike races around parts of the peninsula...you are sol if you get stuck behind the bike pack--a 5 minute drive is now 30.  Or for kitsap, the greenie bikers from seattle like to take scenic rides and will get on the ferry to Bainbridge island then ride to poulsbo on up to kingston taking the other ferry to edmonds--going 20 mph (if lucky) in a 40-45 mph zone with no shoulders.

[Encore 280]

A person buys one of those electric cars in order to save on gas and help the environment. Seem's like I read someplace where the government is gonna make those people pay some kinda fee for owning an electric car now!! What's with that?!! A person can't do anything now days without having to pay out the a$$ for it.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Wont be long the FEDS will charge us for each molecule of oxygen breathed on our lands!

[Encore 280]

Seems like a catch 22! They encourage people to conserve but when ya do, they stick it to ya! WTF? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else but I guess I just have to jump on the band wagon and bitch like everyone else. They got us by the balz.

[duckmen1]

"Fine lets make the bicyclist buy a discover pass for riding.  Then its even right?"

sounds good to me

[sakoshooter]

cause I am tired of paying the way for them, where do you think all the money for the bike lanes is coming from?

I'd guess that most people that ride bicycles also drive a car at times and pay the same fees as everyone else.

And its the same thing we pay for are car or trucks that we drive to the woods.  But we still have to pay another fee to go to DNR land.  Dont see your point there.

We had to have a license for our bikes when I was young. With all the tax revenue being spent on bicycle lanes, I'd be in favor of a bike license as long as the money went toward bike lanes and their enforcement.
If all user groups paid their appropriete fees, we hunters/fishermen would get a rebate!!!

[JLS]

I can't believe that there are people actually advocating MORE taxes/fees for the government rather than trying to get rid of the ones we have now. Apparently some people think ridiculous taxes/fees are perfectly fine, as long as it is someone else paying them.

It's OK if it's to increase fees and taxes for the other guy. 

This thread got jacked wicked! It started out about the Discover Pass and became a rant about bicycles and their evildoer riders.

Like Bobcat pointed out, most people who ride bikes do have cars and pay for the roads and improvements, like anyone else in the state. I would argue that having bike lanes helps drivers to avoid killing a bicyclist. This keeps down our insurance, emergency vehicle and services use, and saves lives. Are some bicyclists real jerks when they're on their bikes? Sure. Are some motorists? All the time. Road rage, anyone?

As far as the Discover Pass is concerned, the state needs more revenue to continue running parks and caring for natural resources. Everything's more expensive. If you want to play, you've got to pay. Harsh reality time, folks. It's the law. Pay $30 now or pay $99 tomorrow. How much you pay is all in the choice you make. If you want to get mad about it, no problem. You're going to be mad a lot.

Well stated pianoman.