Author Topic: H-4831SC (Read 5952 times)

elkslayer069 · « **on:** January 30, 2012, 06:34:21 PM »

Having problem with not having enough room in the case for the powder with the Barnes TTSX bullets with them being all copper bullets their longer to get up to weight and was wondering how the short cut lays in the case compared to regular long cut 4831.

Heredoggydoggy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2012, 06:43:41 PM »

As long as it's not major "crush", I wouldn't worry about it. If the lack of air space around the granules worries you, don't let it--powders carry their own oxygen for burning. The big advantage to the short cut powders is that they meter better in the powder measures.

carpsniperg2 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2012, 06:46:00 PM »

I have that problem when loading that power as well. I love 4831 and 4831sc and load it in most my guns from 25 and up.

KillBilly · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2012, 06:56:36 PM »

You could try the 4831SSC. they make the super short cut. I always try to get it when available

mazama · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2012, 07:19:27 PM »

You can get more in,in my gun i can go over max with it,what case are you trying to fill.

Biggerhammer · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2012, 07:22:17 PM »

Is it a WSM case?

bobcat · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2012, 07:24:47 PM »

Go to a faster burning powder like H4350.

Biggerhammer · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2012, 07:37:27 PM »

Quote from: bobcat on January 30, 2012, 07:24:47 PM

Go to a faster burning powder like H4350.

One of my favorite powders.

elkslayer069 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2012, 09:06:48 PM »

Well Im right to the point of being afraid of blowing out a shoulder on the case. I know that the less space the better. I have friend who has 2 or 3 pounds of the short cut and we were just going to trade if I can more in the case. Just trying to save some cash before buying a different powder. Thanks for your input guys.

Heredoggydoggy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2012, 09:13:31 PM »

You big bore guys got it made--try loading IMR 4198 in a .22 hornet case. Or a .17 fireball. Good news: It's the powder that gives the best accuracy in small calibers. Bad news: The long grains make metering small charges a PITA!

bobcat · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2012, 10:34:15 PM »

Quote from: elkslayer069 on January 30, 2012, 09:06:48 PM

Well Im right to the point of being afraid of blowing out a shoulder on the case. I know that the less space the better. I have friend who has 2 or 3 pounds of the short cut and we were just going to trade if I can more in the case. Just trying to save some cash before buying a different powder. Thanks for your input guys.

It might help if you could tell us what the cartridge is.

Biggerhammer · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2012, 10:40:02 PM »

Quote from: Heredoggydoggy on January 30, 2012, 09:13:31 PM

You big bore guys got it made--try loading IMR 4198 in a .22 hornet case. Or a .17 fireball. Good news: It's the powder that gives the best accuracy in small calibers. Bad news: The long grains make metering small charges a PITA!

Hahaha! Try seating a .458 CEB 370gr Non Con on top of a 106grs of Win 748 in a Ultra Mag case. Doesn't matter how hard you crank on that handle they want to pop back up. Gives a guy a serious complex for the first round at the bench, it just doesn't feel right.

elkslayer069 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2012, 11:39:51 PM »

sorry 338wm never had a problem before but with the all copper bullets their longer to get up to weight.

mazama · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:08:58 PM »

I have gone to r-17 in my 338win mag works better t5han 4350,i save the 4831sc for the 338Rum.

KillBilly · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:19:21 PM »

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luvtohnt · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:21:51 PM »

Last spring I developed a new load for my .300 for my Wyoming elk hunt. I found that in my case the bullet (165 gr. Barnes TTSX) performed much better with the IMR4350 than with the IMR4831. Even though IMR4831 was considered the most accurate.

I know you were trying to save money by using what you have, but I have no experience with the SC powders so the above is all I can offer for advice.

I do know one thing, I shot 3 rounds into a bucket of sand to check expansion and weight retention. WOW is all I can say. The bullets opened nicely and the average weight retention was 98%!!! One shot in Wyoming through the lungs and the bull only went 40 yards before going down for good. I still have the bullets and can take pics if anyone is interested.

Brandon

hub · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2012, 09:51:53 PM »

Another vote for going to a faster burning powder Like IMR-4831. I,ve found that to work well with long bullets like accubonds and ballistic tips. For two of my rifles which have long magizines and long throats I love a full case of H-4831 or the sc version. For situations where you cannot fill the case to around the bottom neck and still seat a long bullet deep enough to fit the mag without over compression then I switch to a faster powder. When I seat a bullet and hear crunch,crunch, crunch I switch powder. If I get only one crunch and the bullet is home I,m calling that good to go. I really love slightly compressed loads for the best accuracy most of time. Not always.

carpsniperg2 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2012, 10:13:07 PM »

I run the 4831 and 4831sc in a lot of guns. I am starting to load more and more of my guns with the imr 4350.

elkslayer069 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2012, 10:38:14 PM »

Not opposed to changing powders but like i said im getting the crunch so I'll have to pick up some 4350 and try the SC this weekend and see what happens. Keep ya posted

hub · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2012, 10:47:32 PM »

I,ve used a ton of IMR 4350. It,s good stuff too,especially when you need a little room for long bullets. Definitly worth appropriate evaluation. Another

or less

carpsniperg2 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2012, 10:56:16 PM »

Quote from: elkslayer069 on January 31, 2012, 10:38:14 PM

Not opposed to changing powders but like i said im getting the crunch so I'll have to pick up some 4350 and try the SC this weekend and see what happens. Keep ya posted

Yeah in one of my 270wsm's I use the 4831sc and get the crunch, even though I don't load anything close to max. My other one I run the imr 4350 and have been very happy with it.

elkslayer069 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2012, 11:23:53 PM »

Same here i think max is 71 and im at 66

mazama · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2012, 06:52:21 AM »

I have ran 4350 and r17 through a chrono 4350 cannot touch r17 i now use R17 in my hunting loads even though i still hve a few lbs ov 4350 but i still use h4831sc in big cases or with lightweight bullets.

str8meat · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2012, 11:29:08 AM »

my abolt in 338wm loves 73 gr. rl 19 with 210 scirroccos

hub · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2012, 12:46:12 PM »

Quote from: mazama on February 01, 2012, 06:52:21 AM

I have ran 4350 and r17 through a chrono 4350 cannot touch r17 i now use R17 in my hunting loads even though i still hve a few lbs ov 4350 but i still use h4831sc in big cases or with lightweight bullets.

Excellent info. Last time I used 4350 in a 338 I got excellent accuracy.

I just checked my records. 71.5 grains gave me 2800 with a 225 grain speer bullet. That was a max load from Nosler manual 5. I don,t know alot about the 338 but it appears 2800 is ball park decent.

Buckblaster · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:51:20 AM »

That might be a good reason to use a different bullet. There are plenty of non-copper premium bullets out there.

yorketransport · « **Reply #26 on:** February 04, 2012, 06:30:55 PM »

I love H4831 SC. You could try using a 6" drop tube when charging the case. Also, try gently tapping the case as you drop the powder in. It will help to "settle" the powder and make it pack a little tighter.

When in doubt though, try a slightly faster powder. For me, if H4831 doesn't work I try H4350 or Re17.

Andrew

KillBilly · « **Reply #27 on:** February 04, 2012, 06:54:44 PM »

Quote from: yorketransport on February 04, 2012, 06:30:55 PM

I love H4831 SC. You could try using a 6" drop tube when charging the case. Also, try gently tapping the case as you drop the powder in. It will help to "settle" the powder and make it pack a little tighter.

When in doubt though, try a slightly faster powder. For me, if H4831 doesn't work I try H4350 or Re17.

Andrew

Drop tubes make a big difference... and I think you meant RL-17

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