Hunting with a bow during muzzleloader season

[washelkhunter]

Whats the point of a ML season at all?

[washelkhunter]

If there are any lawyers here, what would i have to do to get an injunction in place to suspend this WAC change until it can be heard by the legislature?

[bobcat]

Whats the point of a ML season at all?

People like to go out in the woods and kill elk, and fill their freezers with meat.

A muzzleloader is one method of killing them.

[buglebuster]

People like to go out in the woods and kill elk, and fill their freezers with meat.

A muzzleloader is one method of killing them.

Whats the point of a ML season at all?

If there are any lawyers here, what would i have to do to get an injunction in place to suspend this WAC change until it can be heard by the legislature?

sounds like you dont like archery hunters and by the looks of your avatar you dont like quads either? Do you agree with using camo and binoculars or are they an unfair advantage?
what is it gonna hurt allowing someone to carry a bow if they have to buy a muzzleloader tag in order to do it during that season? nothing!

[Snapshot]

In that the WDFW Big Game Manager is a muzzleloader hunter there isn't anything going to happen that will ruin his seasons.

Very likely this came about now that we are entering into the "Hunting the King's Deer" phase of wildlife management in Washington; deeper-pocketed men got torqued because they paid $180 for a multi-season tag but could not use it in the muzzleloader season. This will remove the little barrier to them being able to "buy" the additional opportunity.

It is all about the money.

Someone asked in the thread about why they can't use a crossbow in the rifle season: with a modern firearms tag you can but currently only in the firearm restriction zones. That could probably be expanded to areas outside the firearms restriction zones if someone wanted to work on it.

[dreamingbig]

Archers should not get to hunt during ML season with a bow.  There likely won't be many who will buy a ML tag and hunt with a bow, since archers generally have the better units anyway.  ML units are crowded enough, I wouldn't want to see any more people hunting them; but that said, I don't really feel strongly enough about the position to bother writing to WDFW aobut it.

Now, if ML's could get a bunch more units, then I wouldn't have a problem at all with the proposal.

Well Curly you dont have to write the WDFW, i already did. Just copy and paste amigo. The ML season is being gutted by an administrative rule change. I know i didnt get a heads up in the mail to vote on this. Its sneaky and backhanded, disgraceful and shameful. This will effectively be the beginning of the end for ML season, such as it is.

No offense but I think you are late to the game.  The commission votes next week.  I raised the issue a few months ago.

[bobcat]

No offense but I think you are late to the game.

 


See below:

2012 – 2014 Hunting Seasons and Regulations
The Department is considering rule making for the following: deer and elk seasons and permits; cougar seasons and regulations; black bear seasons and regulations; mountain goat, bighorn sheep, and moose seasons, permits, and regulations; game bird regulations; small game seasons; landowner hunting permit program; deer and elk area boundaries; game management units, special closures and firearm restriction areas; unlawful methods for hunting; hunting equipment rules; hunting at night; and other hunting regulations.


CR-101 - filed as WSR 11-24-102 on December 7, 2011
Invitation to discuss rules on this subject
CR-102 - filed as WSR 12-04-098 on February 1, 2012
Notice and opportunity to comment on this current rule-making proposal


Public Comment Period:
Written comments are due by February 21, 2012
Written comments may be e-mailed to: wildthing@dfw.wa.gov
or mailed to: WDFW Rules Coordinator, 600 Capitol Way N., Olympia, WA 98501


A public hearing will take place on March 9-10, 2012
Moses Lake Civic Center
401 S. Balsam 
Moses Lake, Washington  98837

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/development.html#11-24-102

[washelkhunter]

Never too late brother. If this WAC is adopted it will effectively abolish the intent of the ML season. Seems like the wildlife and enviro groups always get their injunctions. Maybe my allies are on that side of the fence. As much as it would turn my stomach to ask for help from the like perhaps the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[washelkhunter]

People like to go out in the woods and kill elk, and fill their freezers with meat.

A muzzleloader is one method of killing them.

Whats the point of a ML season at all?

If there are any lawyers here, what would i have to do to get an injunction in place to suspend this WAC change until it can be heard by the legislature?

sounds like you dont like archery hunters and by the looks of your avatar you dont like quads either? Do you agree with using camo and binoculars or are they an unfair advantage?
what is it gonna hurt allowing someone to carry a bow if they have to buy a muzzleloader tag in order to do it during that season? nothing!

Instead of walking all the way around the barn, why not just answer the question: What is the point then of the ML season?

[dreamingbig]

Never too late brother. If this WAC is adopted it will effectively abolish the intent of the ML season. Seems like the wildlife and enviro groups always get their injunctions. Maybe my allies are on that side of the fence. As much as it would turn my stomach to ask for help from the like perhaps the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Do you feel the same way about modern firearm season?  Should muzzleloaders be allowed then?  Also what about the rut hunts for modern firearm only?  How come they aren't available for all user groups.  The answer is that logic doesn't win out.  They listen to money and buy allowing archery in muzzle season it makes the multiple season permits more attractive.  And it is my opinion that they haven't thought through all of the impacts.  Good luck.

[hughjorgan]

People like to go out in the woods and kill elk, and fill their freezers with meat.

A muzzleloader is one method of killing them.

Whats the point of a ML season at all?

If there are any lawyers here, what would i have to do to get an injunction in place to suspend this WAC change until it can be heard by the legislature?

sounds like you dont like archery hunters and by the looks of your avatar you dont like quads either? Do you agree with using camo and binoculars or are they an unfair advantage?
what is it gonna hurt allowing someone to carry a bow if they have to buy a muzzleloader tag in order to do it during that season? nothing!

Instead of walking all the way around the barn, why not just answer the question: What is the point then of the ML season?

Why don't you tell us what the point is because it seems to me it is a choice and opportunity of a way to hunt.

[washelkhunter]

Dear Senator:



My name is              . I am contacting you to ask for your help in seeing that

WAC 232-12-054 pertaining to the Wash Dept of Fish and Wildlife NOT be adopted. I am a

long time Wash state muzzleloading hunter and wish to see that the original intent of the ML season remains in effect. This new WAC if adopted will allow archery hunters to use archery equipment during the ML (only) season. This season is in place for the ML communtity; not the archers, they have their own very generous season which ML are not permitted to hunt in. This is some sort of access grab that cannot and should not be allowed to occur irregardless of whatever lame (archery is primitive too) arguement presented. There is a non issue which the Multiseason permit buyers are presenting that runs along the line of, well im an archer and thus i have the MS permit i should be able to hunt ML season using my bow. It seems to me that if your going to bother to apply for and win the MS permit then you should be prepared to hunt those seasons in the manner and spirit with which they were created for. Its ML season; hunt with a muzzleloader and dont make excuses about why you dont own one. I would be very grateful if you would contact the Director of the WDFW, Mr. Anderson and express to him the concerns we muzzleloaders have in this matter.



Thank You

Mr.
Vancouver, Wa



I just sent this out to my State Senator and Representatives in the 17th district. Feel free to copy and paste and send out to your local politicians. Thank You.

[et1702]

People like to go out in the woods and kill elk, and fill their freezers with meat.

A muzzleloader is one method of killing them.

Whats the point of a ML season at all?

If there are any lawyers here, what would i have to do to get an injunction in place to suspend this WAC change until it can be heard by the legislature?

sounds like you dont like archery hunters and by the looks of your avatar you dont like quads either? Do you agree with using camo and binoculars or are they an unfair advantage?
what is it gonna hurt allowing someone to carry a bow if they have to buy a muzzleloader tag in order to do it during that season? nothing!

Instead of walking all the way around the barn, why not just answer the question: What is the point then of the ML season?

Really...I don't understand your opposition?  They are just making the regs consistent.  If you want to hunt more or different units, you can already hunt Modern rifle season w/ML if you want too (w/Modern tag).  Archers can hunt the Modern season too (w/Modern tag).  If you buy a ML tag, you should have the option to hunt with a more primitive weapon than a ML.  Even w/Mech bows, you still have the advantage (100 to 150yrds vs 40 to 50yrds).  Plus, most archers aren't going to give up 1/2 their season to go during ML.  So, not sure what all the agnst is about!

ET

[bobcat]

I just sent this out to my State Senator and Representatives in the 17th district. Feel free to copy and paste and send out to your local politicians. Thank You.

I don't think politicians are going to care much about this issue, if at all. My guess is they have more important things to worry about. Especially when this is such a NON-issue.

[et1702]

I just sent this out to my State Senator and Representatives in the 17th district. Feel free to copy and paste and send out to your local politicians. Thank You.

I don't think politicians are going to care much about this issue, if at all. My guess is they have more important things to worry about. Especially when this is such a NON-issue.