Thanks sabot loader, I am gonna upgrade my wolverine. I have enjoyed your wealth of info, may be I will see you in the woods i have a couple pieces of property over your way that I muzzloader hunt. you have me leaning toward the Disc. I never thought of the weight forward problem of a bighorn on a sling, but even my wolverine is kinda nose heavy, I use a claw sling to keep it upright. I have never been a fan o fthe thumbhole stocks, but you got me thinking....