Author Topic: Permits (Read 16619 times)

Hoytshooter · « **on:** July 17, 2007, 03:57:24 PM »

Hey is it just me who thinks this state game dept is a joke. You find out your draw results 1 week before your season. aug 1st for some people who put in for the permit, our maybe they will know on opening day. I know alot of people who put in for other states and they say this is the worst. Just would like your guys and gals feedback. This permit crap is getting old.

wannahunt · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:21:30 PM »

They need to leave the deadline alone and if folks don't get their picks in in time maybe they will learn by the next year but i doubt they will. Second they need to quit fixing the ones people turn in wrong and just throw them out. This process is not rocket science. If they did that they should be able to push the button one day after the deadline and post the results the day after that. Unbelievable that we have to put up with this baloney.

Hoytshooter · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:34:37 PM »

did i hear re draw. what a load of crap. lol maybe i can draw now

WDFW Hates ME!!! · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:39:38 PM »

I agree load of crap...
Some people think because they didn't draw there should be a redraw. I think because i was drawn there shouldn't be a redraw.

If people complain who wins usually the majority. Well the minority drew. So if those who didn't draw complain enough maybe they will redraw.

I had 9 elk points, i have never drawn, so seeing selected gave me a glimmer of hope.
I realize every year that i didn't drawn that my name is in the barrel with everybody else, if i drew 40th i will not get my tag. Because i put in for the toughest hunts. My name is WDFW hates me because we can't draw for anything...
So now they really hate me...

boneaddict · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2007, 07:19:26 PM »

Minority are on these boards. Most know nothing is going on and are patiently waiting for the results to come in the mail. Most don't know that they were selected or not. We are "cutting" edge or impatient *censored*s and try to find out by the net. I wouldn't have even found that link if I was normal joe, or even know the drawing was done.

high country · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2007, 07:28:20 PM »

getting my hunt picks on july 30th that tells me I scored a hunt that opens on aug 1...............yep that is the deffinition of dumb. like the spring bear tags.....I had a week to get ready and hunt.......nice timing fish and feathers.

GOcougsHunter · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2007, 07:35:57 PM »

Hate to be the spoilsport, but, the "official" document aka "the regs" points out on Page 73 that special permit winners "will receive notice in the mail by July 31, 2007." This is the binding document.

If they provide us any additional time to actually scout, secure permission, get time off work, etc. it is out of the kindness of their hearts., not a requirement of the RCW or WAC.

Can't wait for my Antelope hunt in Montana Aug 20th...

boneaddict · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2007, 07:49:34 PM »

Can't wait for NM.

ICEMAN · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:28:05 PM »

This is just one more G-damned reason that I think they should cancel the point system all together. Each year your chances get worse and worse and worse. Remember back in the good ol' days when few applied for permits, you actually stood a decent chance of hitting on a permit now and then. If I missed this year...oh well, there is always next. A very relaxed approach, not much stress. Now things are different. This Fing department has figured out how to get you to buy your license six months before hunting season, have you stand in line or online to apply with thousands of other guys, so they can raffle off the wildlife in this state, at their leisure, their rules. You have no power. They have even figured out how to get money out of you even if you do not intend to hunt this year. You damned well better keep up with the jones's (point totals) or you know you will never ever get drawn. Heck, some even apply for game they don't even care about hunting, just to keep up with you.

We would be far better off cancelling the weighted draw system all together.

Ironhead · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:33:57 PM »

Has there actually ever been a re-draw? I hear this said every year. I can't actually remember one but I am getting older and don't have the memory I once had.

billythekidrock · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:37:49 PM »

Ice - I almost agree with everything you posted. Though I would like to see the point system continue with a few changes. Continue gaining points, drop hunt choices to one or two per person and re-instate the 3 day wait for those that apply but don't draw.

WDFW-SUX · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:40:37 PM »

Im almost ready to take ALL of my hunting out of state.

WDFW Hates ME!!! · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:44:40 PM »

I would also like to see the people that drew do not get to submit for 2 years if they draw like old times...

GOcougsHunter · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:49:57 PM »

Same weighted system for the special permits, but, do it like the old days where you had to pony up for the permit beforehand and then get a refund if you didn't draw.

I want a goat really bad and cannot believe that most of the 10,000+ applicants out there even know where to find them. If my math is correct, I have 169 preference points (13 sqrd) From a statistical model, it is a fair system, but, when I'm competing with 8000 people all with one or four or nine, my 169 does not really have any statistical relevance.

Ray · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2007, 09:14:39 PM »

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cannot believe that most of the 10,000+ applicants out there even know where to find them.

I'd have to agree with that.

Ghost Hunter · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2007, 11:05:03 PM »

Quote from: huntwa on July 17, 2007, 09:14:39 PM

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cannot believe that most of the 10,000+ applicants out there even know where to find them.

I'd have to agree with that.

Ain't that why they call it hunting?

Ray · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2007, 11:17:48 PM »

Quote from: Ghost Hunter on July 17, 2007, 11:05:03 PM

Quote from: huntwa on July 17, 2007, 09:14:39 PM
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cannot believe that most of the 10,000+ applicants out there even know where to find them.

I'd have to agree with that.

Ain't that why they call it hunting?

Definitely. I think that with the way the permit areas are set for these critters.. they pretty much show you where some are going to be at as well. Good luck to those that draw. I'm not complaining. I just don't think that many folks would have as much success as a smaller ratio of others. I'm not propagating any sense of elitism either. If I never draw a goat tag (or any other tag for that matter) my life will still be ok and I don't really fret over draw results. I don't sit around and whine about draw results for more than about 10 seconds because there are so many other options and other activities besides hunting anyway. It's true that I do take part in the anticipation of getting a draw but the matter doesn't consume my day. I do believe in the pay up front for the tag proposal. Anyone who draws a goat tag and wants a scouting partner I'd be more than happy to help. Cool animals.

Ridgerunner · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2007, 07:54:10 AM »

The whole bonus point system has caused draw odds to tank in this state. Before bonus points there were only about 100 people that put in for sheep tags, there were late mule deer rut hunts in Nov where a guy had a 25% chance of drawing a tag every year! Once they started bonus points the number of guys went up considerably, they did away with the elk hunters who put in for tags having to sit out the first half of the season, etc. etc.

smdave · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:51:14 AM »

When did they start the points system? here is the 1998 permits.

Dave

bobcat · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:56:07 AM »

The point system started in 1996.

kirkl · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:15:14 AM »

Man, look at the applicant numbers compared to now. Thats crazy.

smdave · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:26:25 AM »

1998 Elk Permits

Dave

GOcougsHunter · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2007, 07:48:33 PM »

Ghost hunter,
You are correct. And it's definitely not about elitism or being exclusionary. Sheep, Goat, and Moose are lifetime hunts for Washington State. WIth twenty goats alloted a year, that makes for a total of 400 goats in the next 20 years. With only 20 people being removed from the applicant pool per year, the number of hunters still applying through this current system will mean that your chances are still very slim to pull a tag even after 40 years of applying for the low number of animals.
It would be nice to know that each and every tag is being applied for not because "hey it's only 5 bucks" but, because someone has their eye on a particular animal or herd. I don't put in for Moose, because I know that there are people out there who would appreciate a moose hunt 100 times more than I would. I'm always concerned when I see all the special permit numbers where a number of hunters didn't even hunt their special tag.
Granted, there will be a time when I cash in the retirement savings plan and fly to BC for a goat hunt, but, it's not the same as seeing that one billy on my favorite peak in an area that I know like the back of my hand.
Just my thoughts...

WDFW Hates ME!!! · « **Reply #23 on:** July 18, 2007, 08:07:58 PM »

Honestly, if i drew one of those permits my first day of scouting would be the next day. I am 30 years old, and i am a realist. I will probably never draw one of these permits, therefore i do not actively scout them because of the time and money i would waste never being able to hunt them.
I put in for them for the chance of a lifetime. I have never seen a moose in the wild,but i want to hunt them. I have seen the sheep and goat in the columbia gorge.

I will be hunting moose in BC in a few years, and most likely i will be submitting applications in other states because i want to hunt them so bad. Plus they taste good.

billythekidrock · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2007, 06:21:06 AM »

Another big reason application numbers have inflated is the amount of hunt choices. When a guy can put 4 choices he tends to "fill er up" with choices. Sometimes his 3rd or 4th choice is another guys first or only choice. That 3rd & 4th choice ends up inflating the applicant amount for the other guys 1st choice unit.

boneaddict · « **Reply #25 on:** July 19, 2007, 06:33:41 AM »

Best two states to put in for and draw.....IDAHO and NEW MEXICO. What do they have in common....no points.
First year I put in for Moose, I drew.
Next season....first year I put my Dad in for Moose.... He Drew
First year I put in for Monster Bull elk, in the hardest unit to draw in NM and guess what I drew.

This state...........12 years now trying for a stinking deer permit where I grew up in the Methow. NONE DRAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

johnsc6 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:34:38 PM »

The real problem is when they decided to lower the cost of applying for tags. Now you can apply for deer,elk ,sheep, moose,goat for $25.
When the cost was higher it kept those that were not serious from applying. The Dept. saw this and knows its easier to get $5 from 10,000 people over $50 from 1,000 people. Made it cheap enough that you have to be mentally twisted not to apply. The lowered cost and internet, are the main reasons draw odds have sky rocketed inthe last 10 years.

GoldTip · « **Reply #27 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:39:49 PM »

I agree, even if the application for the permit simply went up to $25 a species that would cut down on the number of people applying. But it would not be so exorbitant that EVERYONE who REALLY wants to couldn't find a way to apply. I do agree many apply simply because it is so cheap.

WDFW-SUX · « **Reply #28 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:41:28 PM »

Thats a really good Idea...........half of the people can't even remember when to apply anyway, special permits can't really be that important to them.

johnsc6 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:54:44 PM »

I apply in at least a half dozen states every year ( with different point systems) and the weighted or (squared ) point system really isn't all that bad. You always have a chance, yet your chances go up exponentially as you build points. I agree with the previous post that it is plain B.S. that the WDFW has really bad habit of extending the deadline for procrastinators. As far as the redraw goes, not sure, maybe it is fair to redraw if someone with ten deer points was only given one chance in the drawing rather than 100

kirkl · « **Reply #30 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:23:28 PM »

Hell ya its fair to redraw, im one of those guys with 10 deer points. I want my 99 extra chances over someone with one point.

boneaddict · « **Reply #31 on:** July 19, 2007, 04:11:24 PM »

Why not jack the price of gas up to $5 bucks a gallon. Some people aren't all that serious about driving anyway. I don't like your logic. It just costs me more money. Set a time for it, and if you wait to the last minute and something goes wrong, too bad for you. Hell yes re-draw if it wasn't fair. Do you think I have paid all of tis money the last 10 years just to forget it this year because they screwed up. I really don't care at this point if I don't draw again, as I figured it was all said and done and I have already turned in my vacation. But dang it, make it a fair drawing.

bcrawford · « **Reply #32 on:** July 19, 2007, 04:20:28 PM »

Or do what Wyoming,colorado,Idaho ect sent them the $ then get a refund check if not drawn. ya it sucks to send that much $ out every year but If you want to go that bad you find a way to do it.

billythekidrock · « **Reply #33 on:** July 19, 2007, 04:23:26 PM »

I would be willing to let them keep a deposit on file.

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