Knight DISC Western kit in DISC?

[floatinghat]

I have been reading a fair amount about Knight inlines and hope I can get a couple of questions answered.  Most of the similar question are around the DISC extreme vs the other versions.

I am just learning about muzzle loaders and did a swap for a like new Knight DISC (not  extreme, elite....)  Currently it is set up for 209s.  Does anyone know if I can get the western kit and will be legal in WA?  Looking at the Knight web site it says convert the Knight DISC Extreme with no mention of the "DISC" guns. 

Searching I did not find the answer but I did see mention of using the 209 bolt and the western kit breech plug.  Looking at Sabotloaders pictures the window of the western kit bolt do not appear larger than the "window" on my bolt.  So if that is the can I just use the Western Kit breech plug with a #11 nipple? 

I guess my question is what is the best way to get this gun legal for WA?

I also got some Knight Red Hots 50/220, Triple 7 pellets, some 209's (I'll use to practice) and some other accessories.

If this thing can be made legal for WA easily what peep sight is recommended?

Also in cleaning I might have jammed myself up.  I screwed the secondary safety out before completely unscrewing the assembly.  Now I seam to be between being able to remove the striker assembly and being able to fully compress the spring.  I think I might be out of alignment?

thanks

f-hat

[floatinghat]

Got the bolt alignment figured out just took a little thinking.

[BOOM!!]

Hi F-hat, I can pass on to you what I have learned about Knights in the past year, mostly from Sabotloader and he will probably chime in here as well. First of all do you know if the 209 primers use the red plastic jackets or the orange ones? If it uses the red ones it is an extreme or an elite. If it uses the orange ones it is the original DISC. The Elite will cause you problems because it isn't tapped for open sights, rendering it useless in WA. If it is the extreme all you need is the correct breechplug and nipple, the bolt will work for you, that is how I have mine set up. If it is the original DISC I believe it should work with the western kit which includes the new bolt and breechplug, but I am not 100% sure on this. Sabotloader would know for sure. He can also help you identify which DISC it is if you don't know what color plastic jacket it uses. HTH's

Steve

[bear hunter]

My buddy is going though the same thing. You "NEED" to call Knight to get the right Western Bolt kit. My buddy has the original disc. They told him to send the new bolt and barrel to them. His rifle is the odd ball one. Don't order it online. You need to talk to knight. The number is 1-423-745-2191 Robbin or Malissa will help you. Hope this helps.

[floatinghat]

Thanks,

B-H why did your buddy have to send to Knight?  I will place a call to Knight.

I admit to being a neophyte, so I will ask a lot of potentially stupid questions. 
However, it seams the bolt provides is the striker mechanism and some protection from ignition mechanism (cap, 209 etc)?

Looking at the various pics posted here and reading much of the informational text.  It would almost seam legal to take the correct plastic jacket for the #11 cap and cut out enough of a section to expose the #11 cap to the elements?

However using the existing bolt doesn't appear to give much room to work unless the slot to open the bolt is modified to allow it to retract or maybe just use a longer screw to allow retracting the bolt.  Although that increases the chance to lose something.

[bear hunter]

He has the odd ball one. The new bolt is a little tight in the action. Also the bolt has to be ground down by machined down by the gun smith.

[Sabotloader]

He has the odd ball one. The new bolt is a little tight in the action. Also the bolt has to be ground down by machined down by the gun smith.

I am not sure I am following the conversation correctly...

The Knight Western Kit should fit the Original DISC and the DISC Extreme, actually I should say in most cases it will fit the Original DISC.

If you look at this picture.

The top bolt is a regular DISC Extreme bolt, the second bolt is a new Western Kit bolt, and the bottom is an older version Western Kit Bolt.  All of these should interchange into a Original DISC.

 

In this picture the DISC Extreme bolt on top and the new Western Kit bolt on the bottom.  If you look at the new Western Bolt you can see the FPJ Extractor Collar is missing from the bolt shroud.



This is a picture with everything installed and a cap placed on the post.

[bear hunter]

He has the odd ball one. The new bolt is a little tight in the action. Also the bolt has to be ground down by machined down by the gun smith.

I am not sure I am following the conversation correctly...

The Knight Western Kit should fit the Original DISC and the DISC Extreme, actually I should say in most cases it will fit the Original DISC.

He was sent middle bolt in your picture. I was told by knight that there was two diffrent stayles. The older ones don't have that lip on the lower back side of the bolt,and for some reason the bolt was very very tight in his actoin. So thats why my buddy has to send his in. As far as I know Malissa at knight said the Original and the Extreme are not the same. Just call Knight and they should get you the right Western Kit. Keep me posted.
 thanks

[Sabotloader]

He has the odd ball one. The new bolt is a little tight in the action. Also the bolt has to be ground down by machined down by the gun smith.

I am not sure I am following the conversation correctly...

The Knight Western Kit should fit the Original DISC and the DISC Extreme, actually I should say in most cases it will fit the Original DISC.

He was sent middle bolt in your picture. I was told by knight that there was two diffrent stayles. The older ones don't have that lip on the lower back side of the bolt,and for some reason the bolt was very very tight in his actoin. So thats why my buddy has to send his in. As far as I know Malissa at knight said the Original and the Extreme are not the same. Just call Knight and they should get you the right Western Kit. Keep me posted.
 thanks

OK now I understand... and I should tell you there were some of the new bolts built for Knight that were a few thousands larger in diameter and did cause some problems in the older Knight guns both Original DISC's and DISC Extremes, as well as the DISC Elite.  I think that issue has since been rectified.

So I hope you are saying that you have sent the tight bolt back to Knight for adjustment.

And Melissa is correct the Orginal Knight DISC bolt is different than the DISC Extreme, in that the orginal DISC bolt does not pull back any at all.  The bolt handle lifts to expose the bolt face so that a Orange FPJ can be dropped in.  With the coming of the Red FPJ the bolt not only lifts but it pulls back about 3/4" to allow extraction of the Red FPJ off the breech plug post.

You can convert any DISC Orginal to the DISC Extreme bolt just by ordering the Extreme bolt housing and installing the hammer assemble from the Original DISC Bolt into the new Extreme Bolt.

Physically both bolts are the same size in length and diameter, the Extreme bolt has the addition of the FPJ extraction collar and the slot cut to allow the bolt to travel to the rear.

Hope I have explained this so it can be understood... I am not always very good at doing that part...

[bear hunter]

He has the odd ball one. The new bolt is a little tight in the action. Also the bolt has to be ground down by machined down by the gun smith.

I am not sure I am following the conversation correctly...

The Knight Western Kit should fit the Original DISC and the DISC Extreme, actually I should say in most cases it will fit the Original DISC.

He was sent middle bolt in your picture. I was told by knight that there was two diffrent stayles. The older ones don't have that lip on the lower back side of the bolt,and for some reason the bolt was very very tight in his actoin. So thats why my buddy has to send his in. As far as I know Malissa at knight said the Original and the Extreme are not the same. Just call Knight and they should get you the right Western Kit. Keep me posted.
 thanks

OK now I understand... and I should tell you there were some of the new bolts built for Knight that were a few thousands larger in diameter and did cause some problems in the older Knight guns both Original DISC's and DISC Extremes, as well as the DISC Elite.  I think that issue has since been rectified.

So I hope you are saying that you have sent the tight bolt back to Knight for adjustment.

And Melissa is correct the Orginal Knight DISC bolt is different than the DISC Extreme, in that the orginal DISC bolt does not pull back any at all.  The bolt handle lifts to expose the bolt face so that a Orange FPJ can be dropped in.  With the coming of the Red FPJ the bolt not only lifts but it pulls back about 3/4" to allow extraction of the Red FPJ off the breech plug post.

You can convert any DISC Orginal to the DISC Extreme bolt just by ordering the Extreme bolt housing and installing the hammer assemble from the Original DISC Bolt into the new Extreme Bolt.

Physically both bolts are the same size in length and diameter, the Extreme bolt has the addition of the FPJ extraction collar and the slot cut to allow the bolt to travel to the rear.

Hope I have explained this so it can be understood... I am not always very good at doing that part...

Your better than I am at explaining 

[Sabotloader]

 Your better than I am at explaining 
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thanks for the vote of confidence - helps my wounded ego...

mike

[floatinghat]

Well now I need to find some place to shoot.  I will mess around with what have I until I get a peep sight.  Good to know I can convert fairly easy.

Would it be a reasonable place to start with a 209 primer, 2 triple seven pellets and a 250G sabot?

[Sabotloader]

Well now I need to find some place to shoot.  I will mess around with what have I until I get a peep sight.  Good to know I can convert fairly easy.

Would it be a reasonable place to start with a 209 primer, 2 triple seven pellets and a 250G sabot?

I would suggest a 250 grain bullet, like a Speer .452-250 grain Deep Curl, a MMP HPH-24 Black Sabot or a Harvester Short Black sabot, (each of these would be a .451-.452 x 50 cal sabot), a W209 shot gun primer.  Two pellets will do the job and are really easy to load but at some point I would suggest that you get to loose powder - like 100 grains of T7-3f loose.

I am not sure if you are in the Pac Northwest or not but you know you have to use percussion caps to use a ML to hunt with during a ML hunt season.  If you are using caps then that is why I suggest T7-3f.  Check your state rules, I am not sure you can shoot pellets either.

[floatinghat]

SL,

Thanks for the direction.  I noticed the Speer  recommendation in another of your posts and started looking for someplace that sells them.   My intention is to try both loose powder and the pellets and work my way to a great load.   I am aware of the Cap rules here in WA, from here the correct breech plug is needed.

I don't recall seeing where pellets are not allowed in WA but will read the rules/regs. again.

Any recommendations on a peep sight?