10 wolf packs in WA...possibly.

[WAcoyotehunter]

http://www.spokesman.com/photos/2012/mar/22/159020/ 




New map plots up to 10 wolf packs in Washington




March 22, 2012 9:53 a.m.  •  0 comments


 

ENDANGERED SPECIES — Up to 10 wolf packs could be roaming in Washington, according to a new wolf recovery map (above) posted by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.
 
If the evidence leads to confirmation, that would be 100 percent increase in the state's wolf packs over the past year.
 
Most of the wolf activity is in northeastern Washington, but the pack activity is being found in the Blue Mountains and even the North Cascades.
 
A good update on the Washington wolf situation, summarizing the presentation state wildlife officials made at the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commisison earlier this month, has been posted by Andy Walgamott of Northwest Sportsman Magazine.
 
The Washington Fish and Wildlfie Department recently introduced an online wolf-reporting tool that enables the public to help alert wolf researchers to expanding wolf activity.
 
Click here to listen to the audio transcript of the March 9 wolf presentation

[Sumpnneedskillin]

If you go to the commission web site it has the whole presentation.  It's 11 pages long.  It shows a map with sighting report numbers by GMU (?), pack locations, a gps tracking map of one of the packs etc

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2012/03/agenda_mar1012.html

[hillbillyhunting]

That map shows nothing about wolves in the klickitat area.  That is the only place in WA I have seen one with my own eyes.    Is that because it is not considered a pack or because noone is recognizing that they are there?

[Huntbear]

That map shows nothing about wolves in the klickitat area.  That is the only place in WA I have seen one with my own eyes.    Is that because it is not considered a pack or because noone is recognizing that they are there?

According to WDFW, they need anyone seeing wolves in areas like the Klickitat to document it, photographs if possible of tracks, animals, etc.... and send them the information.  To document a pack, or that there is a viable breeding pair in an area, they must go in and collar the wolves, and track them, gather info, etc....  They still claim they have never "Planted" wolves anywhere but the Lookout pack, and that even the Teanaway pack is former members of the Lookout Pack that just wandered off.

[hillbillyhunting]

That map shows nothing about wolves in the klickitat area.  That is the only place in WA I have seen one with my own eyes.    Is that because it is not considered a pack or because noone is recognizing that they are there?

According to WDFW, they need anyone seeing wolves in areas like the Klickitat to document it, photographs if possible of tracks, animals, etc.... and send them the information.  To document a pack, or that there is a viable breeding pair in an area, they must go in and collar the wolves, and track them, gather info, etc....  They still claim they have never "Planted" wolves anywhere but the Lookout pack, and that even the Teanaway pack is former members of the Lookout Pack that just wandered off.

Ya there was no way I could have gotten a picture... it was gone before we could process what had happened.  I should have took pics of the prints though    All they have to do is talk with the farmers in the area though.  I talked with a couple in the area I saw this one and they said they see them in their fields 1-2 times per year.

[Special T]

So they have 5 suspected packs... How did they get the info on them? Part of holding the WDFW is making them accountable for their documentation.  We have produced lots of sitings but i don't think they overlap the "suspected" packs.  If we want to ferret out the truth we need to demand documentation as to how they think they have these new packs... And if it is just individual sources, how are they being listened to and we are not?

Bureaucracies choke on the amount of paperwork they generate. WE  need to demand access to it as a matter of public record. The WDFW has done much to keep us in the dark, its time to start digging. 

[Huntbear]

Special T,

They ask for documentation...  Our reports on here do nothing if they are not sent to the biologists.   As for asking the farmers, if the farmers want the wolves documented, the farmers can turn the evidence over to the WDFW.  They can not be everywhere at once.  They have limited resources too, since the gubernor of this state raids their coffers....

[Special T]

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying. The WDFW says they suspect a pack's location right? How and why do they. I KNOW there are wolves in the skagit valley i have seen them, and there have been pics posted here of them... In the past we have been told pics are not proof... So How can the WDFW suspect there is apack near by? That should be in a written report, and we should find/get a copy of it. What proof are they using to make this assumption if our pics and documentation are not good enough? If their basis of proof, or suspicion is in writing then we can use their guideline to prove wolves where we already know they are.

[WAcoyotehunter]

the bios are working in those areas looking for tracks and trying to find wolves. 

So they have 5 suspected packs... How did they get the info on them? Part of holding the WDFW is making them accountable for their documentation.  We have produced lots of sitings but i don't think they overlap the "suspected" packs.  If we want to ferret out the truth we need to demand documentation as to how they think they have these new packs... And if it is just individual sources, how are they being listened to and we are not?

Bureaucracies choke on the amount of paperwork they generate. WE  need to demand access to it as a matter of public record. The WDFW has done much to keep us in the dark, its time to start digging. 

[Special T]

So why does our documention get blown off?

[WAcoyotehunter]

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying. The WDFW says they suspect a pack's location right? How and why do they. I KNOW there are wolves in the skagit valley i have seen them, and there have been pics posted here of them... In the past we have been told pics are not proof... So How can the WDFW suspect there is apack near by? That should be in a written report, and we should find/get a copy of it. What proof are they using to make this assumption if our pics and documentation are not good enough? If their basis of proof, or suspicion is in writing then we can use their guideline to prove wolves where we already know they are.

Call your local bio and get them in the Skagit and show them some evidence to start the ball rolling.  That's probably how they are finding most of the packs.

[WAcoyotehunter]

it doesn't- take a look at the states wolf report and you'll see HuntWa listed as the source.

[JimmyHoffa]

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying. The WDFW says they suspect a pack's location right? How and why do they. I KNOW there are wolves in the skagit valley i have seen them, and there have been pics posted here of them... In the past we have been told pics are not proof... So How can the WDFW suspect there is apack near by? That should be in a written report, and we should find/get a copy of it. What proof are they using to make this assumption if our pics and documentation are not good enough? If their basis of proof, or suspicion is in writing then we can use their guideline to prove wolves where we already know they are.

My guess is that they need DNA to confirm they aren't hybrids and other data to 'officially' call them a pack.

[Skyvalhunter]

From what I have been told DNA will not show the difference between a Hybrid and a wolf. But that was just from a fish and wildlife guy.

[boneaddict]

They are getting closer.   Still missing a few