Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits

[TimberCutter]

The fossil creek permits were 250$ each, I think there was 175 of them. Salmon creek permits were auctioned on ebay. And north River gmu 658 has tracts of land for lease. this is on Rayonier land.

[mrgoodwrench]

wierd...not sure where the 5800 is i havent spent a whole lot of time in the fossil creek area...but i did go down a couple weeks ago and biked in about 6 miles..the signs at the gates just said no vehicle access with out permit...walk in was still allowed..and that was on rayonier

You didn't read the sign correctly.....there is NO PUBLIC ACCESS without a permit.  You don't want a criminal trespass ticket in Pacific County.  I know a couple guys who got them and they were $1100.

I wont argue about a sign that I seen. The sign I read allowed walk/bike in and it was rayonier.

Well whether you'll argue or not, you misread the sign.  We don't have any signs that allow vehicle access with a permit, and walk in access.  You may have seen a red dot sign that doesn't allow vehicle access, or you saw one that mentions a permit....and precludes any non permitted access.  Just trying to help you guys out of a fine.

[meathacker]

How does the access pass work?  If i have one can everyone in my truck enter or does everyone need one?

[tjsr61]

Your permit is good for You and one other person who has completed the release form. Only you may carry a firearm and hunt. Your other person is just a companion. You both must have ID and Rayonier permitt card on you at all times.

[sirmissalot]

This question has come up in previous posts and I believe the consensus is NO the state does not provide tax breaks to Timber Co's for allowing public access.

The tax breaks are not specifically for allowing public access. However, the timber companies do get a large tax break as "timberlands" and pay a very low tax rate on their land. In the fine print it does say this is to help provide recreation. I think more than anything, polically, its in the timber companies best interest to allow public access. You are correct though that they do not receive a tax break for allowing public access. I thought somewhere I read that when the state worked out a deal which basically traded the timber companies for land, that part of the deal was allowing access to the public, I can't seem to find anything about it though so I must have misunderstood.

[grundy53]

 The tax break is because the land is classified as farm land. They pay the same property taxes as a potato farmer or a wheat farmer.

[sirmissalot]

Agreed

[mrgoodwrench]

This question has come up in previous posts and I believe the consensus is NO the state does not provide tax breaks to Timber Co's for allowing public access.

The tax breaks are not specifically for allowing public access. However, the timber companies do get a large tax break as "timberlands" and pay a very low tax rate on their land. In the fine print it does say this is to help provide recreation. I think more than anything, polically, its in the timber companies best interest to allow public access. You are correct though that they do not receive a tax break for allowing public access. I thought somewhere I read that when the state worked out a deal which basically traded the timber companies for land, that part of the deal was allowing access to the public, I can't seem to find anything about it though so I must have misunderstood.

Timber owners pay a reduced tax rate as their crop grows.....when we harvest we pay a HUGE excise tax on the value of the timber harvested.  No one could afford to put a value on their timber every year, and pay the apporiate tax for it.  It is easier for everyone to pay it when it is cut, and at the current market price.

http://dor.wa.gov/content/FindTaxesAndRates/OtherTaxes/Timber/default.aspx

[TimberCutter]

So i go to work this morning up trap creek and through the salmon creek gate, I come back through the gate after work and there is a pickup load of trash dumped at the gate. Not yard waste just pure house hold crap!!! Just another nail in are coffin. Oh i wish i would of caught them.

[spin05]

So i go to work this morning up trap creek and through the salmon creek gate, I come back through the gate after work and there is a pickup load of trash dumped at the gate. Not yard waste just pure house hold crap!!! Just another nail in are coffin. Oh i wish i would of caught them.

Yup i agree. I get real tired of seeing that. If they dont dump it there then it is on the end of some dead end landing.  The thing is it isnt the hunters do this,But we get punished for it. I hunted salmon Creek for years. The one thing i liked about down there is i never saw much garbage dumped. Probly Tweakers.......

[PLUVIUSWAPITI]

TimberCutter, was up in Wilson crk on Sunday and found two dump sites. I dug through the garbage could not find any names in anything.

[slim9300]

This question has come up in previous posts and I believe the consensus is NO the state does not provide tax breaks to Timber Co's for allowing public access.

The tax breaks are not specifically for allowing public access. However, the timber companies do get a large tax break as "timberlands" and pay a very low tax rate on their land. In the fine print it does say this is to help provide recreation. I think more than anything, polically, its in the timber companies best interest to allow public access. You are correct though that they do not receive a tax break for allowing public access. I thought somewhere I read that when the state worked out a deal which basically traded the timber companies for land, that part of the deal was allowing access to the public, I can't seem to find anything about it though so I must have misunderstood.

Timber owners pay a reduced tax rate as their crop grows.....when we harvest we pay a HUGE excise tax on the value of the timber harvested.  No one could afford to put a value on their timber every year, and pay the apporiate tax for it.  It is easier for everyone to pay it when it is cut, and at the current market price.

http://dor.wa.gov/content/FindTaxesAndRates/OtherTaxes/Timber/default.aspx

Exactly.


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[mrgoodwrench]

So i go to work this morning up trap creek and through the salmon creek gate, I come back through the gate after work and there is a pickup load of trash dumped at the gate. Not yard waste just pure house hold crap!!! Just another nail in are coffin. Oh i wish i would of caught them.

Cutter-

Our security guy found the same pile....we got three forms of ID from it on the powerline road.  Hopefully Pacific County will pursue it.  Which side are you cutting on?

[slim9300]

So i go to work this morning up trap creek and through the salmon creek gate, I come back through the gate after work and there is a pickup load of trash dumped at the gate. Not yard waste just pure house hold crap!!! Just another nail in are coffin. Oh i wish i would of caught them.

Cutter-

Our security guy found the same pile....we got three forms of ID from it on the powerline road.  Hopefully Pacific County will pursue it.  Which side are you cutting on?

Wtf is wrong with people. If the police don't do anything I would suggest taking your worst smelling garbage and putting it on their porch. Leave a note that says, "Looked like the perfect spot for some garbage."


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[TimberCutter]

Mr goodwrench, Im cutting the unit in savage creek. I called raymond Weyco. office left them a message they didn't call back. I also have two pieces of id from the trash.