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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #90 on: August 01, 2012, 03:00:20 PM »
Yup..I do remember.  :tup: Been down this road already in this thread.  :chuckle:

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #91 on: August 01, 2012, 03:09:12 PM »
I wonder...to those that bought this permit...how many are archery hunters and how many are modern firearm hunters?

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #92 on: August 01, 2012, 03:18:36 PM »
And i agree i dont think you should have to pay to hunt an area but i think its better then locking it up and only allowing employees to drive in and you have to walk/bike in.

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2012, 03:29:44 PM »
Yeah, I agree. 

My point is what if all private timber companies (almost all of SW Washington) went to this system and kept the numbers low enough that not everyone would have the opportunity to hunt here (many places where their families have hunted for years).  These leftover people who can't afford it or don't hit the bid button fast enough are all left with DNR and USFS land which will become crowded, making success even tougher.  This is not good for recruitment and retainage for our sport and in these times we need all the help we can get.

I agree that they own the land and can do as they please but I'm not a fan of It.  I wish WDFW had the funds to work with these companies to provide everyone access.

Just trying to keep an open mind about this and think towards the future.  When other timber companies see that you can make $40,000+ off of only 31000 acres in a couple hours it won't be long.

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #94 on: August 01, 2012, 03:48:05 PM »
yeah thats a good point. It seems as tho hunting is definitely turning into a rich mans sport.

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #95 on: August 01, 2012, 07:43:15 PM »
A guy told me once that timber companys get a big tax break for opening their land to the public. Is this true? Are they making money and getting tax breaks?

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #96 on: August 01, 2012, 10:29:13 PM »
A guy told me once that timber companys get a big tax break for opening their land to the public. Is this true? Are they making money and getting tax breaks?

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #97 on: August 01, 2012, 11:00:54 PM »
I'll give ya the breakdown for last year, about 20 archery and all the rest modern. the guys that go modern had better wear body armor, because it will be an absolute zoo. there may be active logging going on, so you will be required to buy a C.B. radio, if you want to live, if ya get past the trucks, then ya have to get past the guns. its way to small to support that many modern hunters. and most will not be on foot, they will be driving anything, and i mean anything that has a motor.
as for the archery guys, you got it made, exept the elevation is too low, the rut is later than higher up and the season ends before the rut will start.
i will say this, i recieved alot of info from timber personnel both admin and in the field and all were very very helpful, and in one case above and beyond helpful. alot of you guys have given him alot of chit,  and he doesnt deserve it, and his remarks are right on target.   Thank you again Mr G.

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Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #98 on: August 02, 2012, 07:23:49 AM »
I'll give ya the breakdown for last year, about 20 archery and all the rest modern. the guys that go modern had better wear body armor, because it will be an absolute zoo. there may be active logging going on, so you will be required to buy a C.B. radio, if you want to live, if ya get past the trucks, then ya have to get past the guns. its way to small to support that many modern hunters. and most will not be on foot, they will be driving anything, and i mean anything that has a motor.
as for the archery guys, you got it made, exept the elevation is too low, the rut is later than higher up and the season ends before the rut will start.
i will say this, i recieved alot of info from timber personnel both admin and in the field and all were very very helpful, and in one case above and beyond helpful. alot of you guys have given him alot of chit,  and he doesnt deserve it, and his remarks are right on target.   Thank you again Mr G.

The area had WAY more rifle hunters in it before the permit system. Clearly you have never been there before the intro of the permit system or you would know. There is some other info above that is almost laughable but I will keep that intel to myself.


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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #99 on: August 02, 2012, 08:24:29 AM »
I'll give ya the breakdown for last year, about 20 archery and all the rest modern. the guys that go modern had better wear body armor, because it will be an absolute zoo. there may be active logging going on, so you will be required to buy a C.B. radio, if you want to live, if ya get past the trucks, then ya have to get past the guns. its way to small to support that many modern hunters. and most will not be on foot, they will be driving anything, and i mean anything that has a motor.
as for the archery guys, you got it made, exept the elevation is too low, the rut is later than higher up and the season ends before the rut will start.
i will say this, i recieved alot of info from timber personnel both admin and in the field and all were very very helpful, and in one case above and beyond helpful. alot of you guys have given him alot of chit,  and he doesnt deserve it, and his remarks are right on target.   Thank you again Mr G.

The area had WAY more rifle hunters in it before the permit system. Clearly you have never been there before the intro of the permit system or you would know. There is some other info above that is almost laughable but I will keep that intel to myself.


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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #100 on: August 02, 2012, 08:31:54 AM »
I thought about buying a permit to go in there but decided against it .

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #101 on: August 02, 2012, 09:00:59 AM »
JPhelps Wrote:  ""My point is what if all private timber companies (almost all of SW Washington) went to this system and kept the numbers low enough that not everyone would have the opportunity to hunt here (many places where their families have hunted for years).  These leftover people who can't afford it or don't hit the bid button fast enough are all left with DNR and USFS land which will become crowded, making success even tougher.  This is not good for recruitment and retainage for our sport and in these times we need all the help we can get.""
 
It's even worse than that.  In SW Washington most PUBLIC LAND is also controlled by Weyerhaeuser!!  35,000 acre DNR land behind Weyco gates (Toutle Unit).  USFS land and trails behind private gates (Winston/Margaret). 7,000 acre state WDFW wildlife area (mudflow unit) behind Weyco. gates.  So this is ok with everyone??  They own most of the land, and want to CONTROL even more.  Afterall, its private land, private property rights, they should be able to do what they want with it.  Charge YOU to go to YOUR land???   Hold public land for ransom.   You already need a Discover Pass to get to USFS land in many places--where does this craziness end?  10-20 different passes to hunt?     And we voters give them tax breaks to help them do it.  I worked for Weyco. and one thing they pounded into our head was "we operate with a license from the public."  And the challenges of balancing "private land" that contains "public resources".  SO true.  Remember, the public is really in charge--we CAN change their license (how they operate) if enough people get mad enough. 

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Re: Rayonier Fossil Creek / Salmon Creek Access Permits
« Reply #102 on: August 02, 2012, 09:30:43 AM »
JPhelps Wrote:  ""My point is what if all private timber companies (almost all of SW Washington) went to this system and kept the numbers low enough that not everyone would have the opportunity to hunt here (many places where their families have hunted for years).  These leftover people who can't afford it or don't hit the bid button fast enough are all left with DNR and USFS land which will become crowded, making success even tougher.  This is not good for recruitment and retainage for our sport and in these times we need all the help we can get.""
 
It's even worse than that.  In SW Washington most PUBLIC LAND is also controlled by Weyerhaeuser!!  35,000 acre DNR land behind Weyco gates (Toutle Unit).  USFS land and trails behind private gates (Winston/Margaret). 7,000 acre state WDFW wildlife area (mudflow unit) behind Weyco. gates.  So this is ok with everyone??  They own most of the land, and want to CONTROL even more.  Afterall, its private land, private property rights, they should be able to do what they want with it.  Charge YOU to go to YOUR land???   Hold public land for ransom.   You already need a Discover Pass to get to USFS land in many places--where does this craziness end?  10-20 different passes to hunt?     And we voters give them tax breaks to help them do it.  I worked for Weyco. and one thing they pounded into our head was "we operate with a license from the public."  And the challenges of balancing "private land" that contains "public resources".  SO true.  Remember, the public is really in charge--we CAN change their license (how they operate) if enough people get mad enough.

So for me I am undicided on the issue of it being good or bad to pay for a private property to hunt. What can you say or do to help me understand which side of the fence to be on, I understand its always an argument, but there has to be some factual stuff to base a decision on. I am wondering if there have been and studies done on the animals and land in these situations. Sorry if my questions are unclear. Anyone can answer to these. Thanks

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« Reply #103 on: August 02, 2012, 10:23:36 AM »
I'll give ya the breakdown for last year, about 20 archery and all the rest modern. the guys that go modern had better wear body armor, because it will be an absolute zoo. there may be active logging going on, so you will be required to buy a C.B. radio, if you want to live, if ya get past the trucks, then ya have to get past the guns. its way to small to support that many modern hunters. and most will not be on foot, they will be driving anything, and i mean anything that has a motor.
as for the archery guys, you got it made, exept the elevation is too low, the rut is later than higher up and the season ends before the rut will start.
i will say this, i recieved alot of info from timber personnel both admin and in the field and all were very very helpful, and in one case above and beyond helpful. alot of you guys have given him alot of chit,  and he doesnt deserve it, and his remarks are right on target.   Thank you again Mr G.

The area had WAY more rifle hunters in it before the permit system. Clearly you have never been there before the intro of the permit system or you would know. There is some other info above that is almost laughable but I will keep that intel to myself.


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