Tribal hunting bills introduced

[huntnphool]

Blame who you must just make sure you look in all directions, there are other poachers out there that are not tribal.  As for walking in, I have no problem with that since many of you know that the biggest animals do not come from road hunting.

I will go into the book as a yes vote(i support them). I say this because i am concerned for the saftey of tribal members. another issue I would adress is it spreads the tribal hunters out therefore taking pressure off the few open areas. I also like the fact that it takes it out of the public eye so to speak. I have nothing to hide when it comes to the public eye, I would just rather its a more private setting(that may be percieved as selfish). Contrary to popular belief we very seldom target trophy animals, and parading them around is never been done(by myself or my kids).

What is the safety concern??

Hike further from those high pressure areas and they won't be so high pressure or regulate yourselves to not overhunt an area, is that too much to ask to ensure future generations have animals to hunt?

I get your not the "bad apple" but why continue to make it easier for them to be "bad apples"-tribal and non-tribal
These aren't sound arguments IMHO

It is a concern on many levels(saftey). Their are not very many tribal hunters who have not been harassed. To answer your question about hiking further I will do my best. At times gathering meat (hunting) is very time sensitive. Like I said before it's not a hobby. So one scenario that plays out is that when meat is needed several guys will head to an open area (not gated) , this creates an environment of ''over harvest''.  Once meat is gathered you will not see most of these guys until the need presents itself again. It's easy to say to self regulate and make more members act like myself, not so easy to make it a reality. As you know humans are creatures of habit, this habit (amongst all user groups) tends to be road hunting.  I will teach when possible and lead by example, but I will not  criticize those tribal guys who don't act the way I do. I don't tolerate waste or excessive harvest under any circumstances.

Good stuff GB I think you understand that if this were actually about "sustenance" hunting then few would be concerned. The outrage is the targeting of the bucks/bulls, which we both know is the crux of the issue.

[Smossy]

 

[bobcat]

You're new to all this, just read and learn.

[mfswallace]

You're new to all this, just read and learn.

But please don't speak  we have enough uniformed uneducated ignorant opinions already    not meant as an insult smossy but you freely admit hunting and resource managment is all new to you 

Not that you wouldn't lend a different perspective but if you go back and read this through you'll see how one simple comment can bring out the vultures who just want to make smart butt comments 

[bobcat]

I didn't really mean that he shouldn't post. He really SHOULD. Ask questions, because I'm sure there are others who don't quite understand the entire issue here.

I never realized how bad the tribal problem was until I started reading about it on this forum ( and some others before this one came into existence).

[mfswallace]

I didn't really mean that he shouldn't post. He really SHOULD. Ask questions, because I'm sure there are others who don't quite understand the entire issue here.

I never realized how bad the tribal problem was until I started reading abou it on this forum ( and some others before this one came into existence).

True, just trying to avoid the off topic stuff but I guess he might ask questions we don't think about as more experienced hunters 

Let me  myself or 

[whiteeyes]

I didn't really mean that he shouldn't post. He really SHOULD. Ask questions, because I'm sure there are others who don't quite understand the entire issue here.

I never realized how bad the tribal problem was until I started reading abou it on this forum ( and some others before this one came into existence).

Ya Smossy, make sure you believe every thing you read on the forums,  to funny.

[bobcat]

I didn't really mean that he shouldn't post. He really SHOULD. Ask questions, because I'm sure there are others who don't quite understand the entire issue here.

I never realized how bad the tribal problem was until I started reading abou it on this forum ( and some others before this one came into existence).

Ya Smossy, make sure you believe every thing you read on the forums,  to funny.

I don't find it funny at all. I find it simply educational.   

[lil_red_wagon]

Scotty1968

I will be thinking of ur blah blah blah when I drive threw that gate n u have to oark on the other side n just sit there n watch... So please keep up the act.. N trash talk

[Bigtine96]

blah blah blah.i cant believe all the were your ancestors here were there cars roads etc.. let me ask.how many F B I are still around that was here when the treaty was signed.everyone wants equality but only for themselves and that is bs.they want there treaty to still work for them just like we want our constitution to still work for us it is no diff.but like i said closed for one closed for all we could work together way better than this.just like jeepers have to work with the hikers and the horseman.compromise so everyone can get a piece.on another note there are a lot of non tribals in yakima that go hunting with tribals all year round i know this to be a fact the dollar can buy most anything on the rez.

 

[Time Immemorial]

blah blah blah.i cant believe all the were your ancestors here were there cars roads etc.. let me ask.how many F B I are still around that was here when the treaty was signed.everyone wants equality but only for themselves and that is bs.they want there treaty to still work for them just like we want our constitution to still work for us it is no diff.but like i said closed for one closed for all we could work together way better than this.just like jeepers have to work with the hikers and the horseman.compromise so everyone can get a piece.on another note there are a lot of non tribals in yakima that go hunting with tribals all year round i know this to be a fact the dollar can buy most anything on the rez.

We are all full blooded

[gaddy]

seems as though there have been some nerves touched. please explain your defensive posture to the people that oppose the legislation in these bills. & provide a positive for allowing" natives" unfettered access to these lands & animals that will benefit the animals & public (yes the public includes you) that use these lands. is there any benefit to allowing 1 select group more access? 0r would you agree that closures to all user groups at certain times of the year would benefit all. not just the animals but the lands themselves.

[JackOfAllTrades]

Was never any shiapos either

Huh?

[Curly]

Was never any shiapos either

Huh?

Maybe Hairtrigger means shiaopau     

[Practical Approach]

Practical Approach,

My point was that the Yakama tribe doesn't limit their members in any way, as far as how many animals they can take each year. (As we are)

Now the tribes are wanting to have motorized access behind gates where we don't.

Where does their greed end?

Neither of these bills are needed, they're a total waste of paper and ink. If tribal members want to hunt behind locked gates, they can walk like the rest of us.

You know, kind of like how in the treaty it says they can hunt "in common" with us?

I think the problem is we really don't know who is behind the bill.  Is it Yakama, other tribes or legislators in general.  I guess there are issues between Yakama and state hunters, but sometimes I feel this website focuse too intensly on just Yakama.  There are 25 othere tribes out there as well. 

There are plenty of non tribal hunters that would love to have access behind gates, even more would love to have access behind gates and restrict the tribes.  This boils down to someone writing a bill on behalf of tribal access and it doest represent the non tribal hunter. 

Whether we like it or not, there are bills written all of the time that benefit certain user groups.

Don't get me wrong, I am a big supporter of gates.  I hike and ride my mountain bike every year behind gates.  I know many tribal memebers that do it as well.