Am I the only one thinking this is really not good?

[jaymark6655]

I was at a resturant today and I saw this guy bend over to pick his kid up.  Well he was carrying concealed, what's wrong with these idiots?    I mean no retention on the rig at all, at least my opean carry holster has a lock on it.  Plus, who tries to conceal a hand cannon.  A .45 is just too much gun for anyone, if your going to carry concealled stick to something like a .380.  Its not like a wimpy tshirt is going to cover anything else anyway.  He must of been planning to rob the place and didn't want anyone to know his plan.  He left all quick like once his gun was uncovered.  Or maybe he was planning to carry it illegally into the bar section since he obviously didn't want anyone to know he had a gun.  Obviously this guy lacked serious training.  If he ever had to draw, the gun would probably snag on that super tight t-shirt or his daisy dukes and he would just end up shooting himself or dropping it at which point it would probably discharge and hit me or another innocent bystander.  I mean seriously how is he suppose to draw while fighting of an attacker.  I bet he also doesn't carry a round chambered, so he will have to use that chair until he beats the guy into the ground, then he could draw and finish the guy off.  How barbaric.  I guess he is the kind of poker player that giggles when he gets a good hand.  It scared me so bad, I left without paying my bill and won't go back to that resturant until they ban concealed carry.  I mean all the good guys I know carry open (cops/military), only criminals carry concealed (assasins, people sneaking into bars who shoot others in a drunken rage, bank robbers).  With so few open carriers, I feel outnumbered.  Maybe I should just subcumb to peer pressure and conceal carry?

[whitey]

Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected?

It acts as a deterant. Enough said. If some retards walks into the store to rob the place. He/she wants easy quick money...If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. He/she's alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me. Not that it makes it any better for the next person but like the previous poster said. If everyone did it, it wouldnt be that big of a deal and theres no doubt that it would make the crime rate go way down.

But on the same note. I walk in to rob a joint I see a guy with a gun!! Im going to shoot that person first.
Just saying I would rather not have attention brought to me so then when the freak thinks it safe to rob the store.. I shoot them. Game over.

[Bean Counter]

I love it when other gun owners open carry. So long as they're not being clowns about it. I do less than 10% of the time. Concealed is the way to go.

[pianoman9701]

Who knows his reason? I understand the thinking that he's asking for trouble, but the trouble is not his making. The trouble is the making of liberal politicians who've made demons out of gun owners and the media who is now the mouthpiece of the liberal politicians. I'm not sure I agree with the OR guy who walks down the street with an MSR trying to get the attention of the police so he can videotape it, but he's still exercising his rights under our laws.

We should support anyone who legally carries and explain to those who don't know that exercising our 2nd Amendment rights is no different than exercising our 1st, 4th, or 5th Amendment rights. The only difference is that the 2nd is about us being able to own guns so we can keep the others from being taken away by a tyrannical government, if we should ever have one.  Oh yeah, we do.

[Atroxus]

I don't get why this argument keeps coming back so often. If you don't like to carry open.....then don't. If you don't like to carry concealed then don't. Maybe if all gun owners spent less time judging other gun owners for trivial crap, and instead worked on presenting a united front, the antis might not be as big of a problem. 

[KFhunter]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

[whitey]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

Really.
What makes you think this? 
Are you trained? 
I know I am. 
I think most people wouldnt pack a gun unless they have had some sort of direction on the safe handleing and use of the firearm they might well need to use. Be kindof dumb not to. Just saying.

[Atroxus]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

That has nothing to do with how someone carries though, unless they are carrying it in some way that is obviously unsafe/irresponsible. Like in a holster, strapped to a seeing eye dog.

I agree that anyone who considers carrying whether open or concealed should know how to use their firearm(s), and should have given ample thought to their method of carry as well as what scenarios they would consider it appropriate or inappropriate to use a firearm. Just because someone carries open or concealed though has no bearing on whether they are competent to carry.

Personally when I do carry, I carry semi-concealed unless I am out hunting. I don't take great pains to conceal though because I don't like the idea of having to "dig" for my gun should I need to use it.

[pianoman9701]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

Wow, this is a worse idea than the guy with the MSR, KF.

Do you need a class to observe your 1st Amendment rights? No. You know why? Because if you abuse those rights by yelling "fire" in a theater, you go to jail. The same thing happens if you abuse your 2nd Amendment rights. If you do so, you go to jail. YOU DON"T NEED A CLASS TO HAVE A RIGHT. That's for privileges. Get the training course idea out of your head and start making our politicians hold the idiots responsible for their actions under the law, instead.

Voluntary training is responsible. Required training is another way for the government to keep track of who has guns.

[KFhunter]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

Really.
What makes you think this? 
Are you trained? 
I know I am. 
I think most people wouldnt pack a gun unless they have had some sort of direction on the safe handleing and use of the firearm they might well need to use. Be kindof dumb not to. Just saying.

I had to help out a dude last summer that bought a shot gun and pistol in light of the recent gun buying frenzy, he's never held one before and he was packing it around. 

His family asked if I would show him how to operate them safely, so I did...but a 30 minute crash course isn't going to make him safe a year from now.

I'd never seen someone so inept and scary.   He reads all these books about this super human GI Joe type guy and wants to emulate that. 

How about all these just turned 21 never had a real dad boys who gotta get their 1st handgun?  Who's going to show them?    Just do some youtube vids and you'll see.



Shooting my new Glock 17

language warning:
My First Gun Shot (Part 1)
part 2
My First Gun Shot (Part 2)

[KFhunter]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

Wow, this is a worse idea than the guy with the MSR, KF.

Do you need a class to observe your 1st Amendment rights? No. You know why? Because if you abuse those rights by yelling "fire" in a theater, you go to jail. The same thing happens if you abuse your 2nd Amendment rights. If you do so, you go to jail. YOU DON"T NEED A CLASS TO HAVE A RIGHT. That's for privileges. Get the training course idea out of your head and start making our politicians hold the idiots responsible for their actions under the law, instead.

Voluntary training is responsible. Required training is another way for the government to keep track of who has guns.

I understand that and don't disagree, still there is a problem.

I don't have the answer

[pianoman9701]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

Wow, this is a worse idea than the guy with the MSR, KF.

Do you need a class to observe your 1st Amendment rights? No. You know why? Because if you abuse those rights by yelling "fire" in a theater, you go to jail. The same thing happens if you abuse your 2nd Amendment rights. If you do so, you go to jail. YOU DON"T NEED A CLASS TO HAVE A RIGHT. That's for privileges. Get the training course idea out of your head and start making our politicians hold the idiots responsible for their actions under the law, instead.

Voluntary training is responsible. Required training is another way for the government to keep track of who has guns.

I understand that and don't disagree, still there is a problem.

I don't have the answer

I think the answer is get active in your gun-rights community and encourage fellow gun owners to take an NRA safety course or the state Hunter Ed course. Maybe get certified as an RSO. There are lots of things you can do to try and make other people safe or make them aware of their options. Ultimately, it's up to them to do it.

[KFhunter]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

Wow, this is a worse idea than the guy with the MSR, KF.

Do you need a class to observe your 1st Amendment rights? No. You know why? Because if you abuse those rights by yelling "fire" in a theater, you go to jail. The same thing happens if you abuse your 2nd Amendment rights. If you do so, you go to jail. YOU DON"T NEED A CLASS TO HAVE A RIGHT. That's for privileges. Get the training course idea out of your head and start making our politicians hold the idiots responsible for their actions under the law, instead.

Voluntary training is responsible. Required training is another way for the government to keep track of who has guns.

I understand that and don't disagree, still there is a problem.

I don't have the answer

I think the answer is get active in your gun-rights community and encourage fellow gun owners to take an NRA safety course or the state Hunter Ed course. Maybe get certified as an RSO. There are lots of things you can do to try and make other people safe or make them aware of their options. Ultimately, it's up to them to do it.

I'm not worried about the people who'll seek out a proper RSO.

I worry about the trash shooters, cocky arrogant new gun owners who don't even know enough to know they need some training and guidance.

what did you think of the "RSO" in the vids I posted above?   That's who most people get for an "RSO".

[pianoman9701]

You realize I was talking about an NRA-certified range safety officer though, right?

[KFhunter]

You realize I was talking about an NRA-certified range safety officer though, right?

Of course I did, but the vast majority of folks will never see one let alone know there might be one available in their area. 


I'm all for what your suggesting, but unless there is something compelling new gun owners to such a class it'll never happen for the majority.   Some cousin or friend will show em, they'll shoot an old fridge or bucket in the back 40 and that'll be it.