Shooting hours ethics.

[h20hunter]

I can't argue your logic. It makes sense. However, it is a slippery slope that anything in the regs be seen as a guide instead of law.

[bobcat]

I never go by the times listed in the pamphlet. It's much more accurate to go by the sunrise/sunset times on my GPS.

[scout/sniper]

I agree with the time issue, but the published time is what I go with.
There is enough interpretation in the regs for my blood.

Poacher is a harsh word, but that is in fact what shooting an animal illegally is.

I'm sorry but the law is the law and this is not a one time thing for this guy, he doesn't care what time it is.

Would I be so harsh on a person that made one bad decision and won't do it again?
Absolutely not, even though he poached it.

[scout/sniper]

I never go by the times listed in the pamphlet. It's much more accurate to go by the sunrise/sunset times on my GPS.

Just curious bobcat, if you showed that to a leo would he/she accept it as legal?
I would think it is much more accurate.

[bobcat]

I never go by the times listed in the pamphlet. It's much more accurate to go by the sunrise/sunset times on my GPS.

Just curious bobcat, if you showed that to a leo would he/she accept it as legal?
I would think it is much more accurate.

Yes I would think so. Legal hunting hours are based on sunrise and sunset. The GPS gives you accurate sunrise and sunset times for your precise location. It's not an approximation like the times listed in the pamphlet.

[scout/sniper]

Makes sense, thank you.

[scout/sniper]

So, a guy that shoots 4 minutes early (according to the published times) might actually be within the 1/2 before sunrise window that is supposed to be legal light.

MHO on this is that you are correct, if the hunter is trying to be legal.
However, whatever means this guy used to determine legal shooting hours is irrelevent.
As long as he can see the color of the bird, he doesn't care what time it is.
In this situation I am inclined to be harsh.

[BIGINNER]

isn't shooting light for birds different than game animals?

[Curly]

I remember Bigtex or somebody else with some authority mention on this board before about this subject and I believe they said the published times are official and anything else would likely not hold-up in court.  I can't remember if that was a definite answer though.......or just his personal opinion........   

[scout/sniper]

isn't shooting light for birds different than game animals?

No, they are the same.

But as Curly mentioned earlier, I vaguely remember them being different in the past.

[Curly]

So, a guy that shoots 4 minutes early (according to the published times) might actually be within the 1/2 before sunrise window that is supposed to be legal light.

MHO on this is that you are correct, if the hunter is trying to be legal.
However, whatever means this guy used to determine legal shooting hours is irrelevent.
As long as he can see the color of the bird, he doesn't care what time it is.
In this situation I am inclined to be harsh.

I agree.  That attitude is not quite right where a guy doesn't give a rip about what time it is.  Law abiding people wait for the actual time and others just start shooting whenever they feel it is right; that is not fair to the law abiding people.

[scout/sniper]

I never go by the times listed in the pamphlet. It's much more accurate to go by the sunrise/sunset times on my GPS.

This should be legal, but I'm sure the published times would have precedence.

[BIGINNER]

isn't shooting light for birds different than game animals?

No, they are the same.

But as Curly mentioned earlier, I vaguely remember them being different in the past.

i just checked. start time is the same, game bird shooting light ends half hour earlier. excluding grouse

[Curly]

isn't shooting light for birds different than game animals?

No, they are the same.

But as Curly mentioned earlier, I vaguely remember them being different in the past.

I sort of remember it being that way for a year or two back in the 80's.  But I just can't remember for sure when it was........could have been a time in the 90's (basically, I just remember it being the case and remember all the birds we could have gotten if the times were what they should have been. )

I remember back when shooting time for upland birds in Eastern WA was 12:00 noon.  You could definitely see the colors on the roosters at noon.

[scout/sniper]

isn't shooting light for birds different than game animals?

No, they are the same.

But as Curly mentioned earlier, I vaguely remember them being different in the past.

i just checked. start time is the same, game bird shooting light ends half hour earlier. excluding grouse

I never stay all day out in the boat so I have never looked at the evening time.
Thanks for clarification.