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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #105 on: October 17, 2014, 02:15:45 PM »
Interesting how many non-ethical hunters we have on this site............

It's always been an easy decision for me anytime I've ever been offered the opportunity to poach. I've heard rationalizations for poaching almost everything that walks, swims, or flies and has a season at one time or another.

It was a liberal hunting & trapping season that started to bring wolves under management in Idaho, not poaching. I'd bet money on it.
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #106 on: October 17, 2014, 02:20:14 PM »
I heard that the wolf was actually chasing the truck  for multiple miles. Only after which this farmer had no other option than to defend himself with his rifle. :dunno:

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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #107 on: October 17, 2014, 02:26:07 PM »
He was actually biting the truck's tires.
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #108 on: October 17, 2014, 02:28:40 PM »
He was actually biting the truck's tires.

Given what tires cost these days I'd say justified!   :chuckle:

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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #109 on: October 17, 2014, 02:31:31 PM »
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #110 on: October 17, 2014, 02:36:15 PM »
Poachers = scumbags.  Pretty simple.  Those who want to defend poaching...go for it...just don't call yourselves hunters.  :twocents:
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #111 on: October 17, 2014, 02:37:51 PM »
He wasnt poaching, he just wanted to pet the pretty puppy, he was trying to do that without getting bit
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #112 on: October 17, 2014, 02:39:28 PM »
He wasnt poaching
That is very possible...the investigation is not complete.
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #113 on: October 17, 2014, 02:53:22 PM »
Keep it civil guys.  This is a real problem that is effecting hunters everywher in the northwest.  Most of us are very passionate about the wolf topic (Pro or Against)....but we shouldn't be attacking each other with name calling. 

The only person that really knows what happened is the farmer that pulled the trigger.  I tend to believe that wolves have little value in our ecosystem and should be managed aggressively.  I don't begrudge the farmer for making the decision he did.  I also don't believe that this makes me any less of a hunter.  It darn sure does not make me a "Skumbag." 

I appreciate if people believe he was in the wrong....but try and put yourself in his shoes;  do you rally want a wolf around your house?  Would you tolerate it and if not what would you do about it?  Maybe run it off, maybe call the game dept. or maybe make a decision to protect your family, livestock and livelihood.  I wasn't there so I don't know what I would do.....but I can't guarantee I wouldn't have shot the wolf either.  Very situational and my guess is very stressful.  He made a decision and now he has to live with the consequences.  I personally hope he is exonerated....and this thing goes away. :twocents:  To think our government would value a wolf over the safety of a human, human's livelihood, or land is sickening. 

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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #114 on: October 17, 2014, 02:59:29 PM »
Snakeriver you seem a little confused.  :dunno:
 
seems to be a lot versions to this story  :chuckle:

weather this wolf had bad intentions or not it has no place amongst homes.  I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if this wolf was traveling threw where your kids play.


Maybe Snakeriver doesn't know much about the USFWS's wolves yet?

WOLF ATTACKS ON HUMANS  http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html

Will N. Graves to USFWS Wolf-Carried Diseases – October 3, 1993
http://wolfeducationinternational.com/letter-will-n-graves-to-usfws-wolf-carried-diseases-october-3-1993/

"Why so many attacks in Asia and so few in North America?"
 
Two factors must be considered:
 
1.      The Philosophy of Conservation - Our forefathers always believed that they had the right and obligation to protect their livelihoods.  Considerable distance was necessary between man and wolf for the wolf to survive.
 
2.      Firearms - Inexpensive, efficient weapons gave man the upper hand in the protection of his livelihood and for the taking of wolves.
 
Milton P. Skinner in his book, “The Yellowstone Nature Book” (published 1924) wrote, "Most of the stories we hear of the ferocity of these animals... come from Europe. There, they are dangerous because they do not fear man, since they are seldom hunted except by the lords of the manor. In America, the wolves are the same kind, but they have found to their bitter cost that practically every man and boy carries a rifle..."
 
Skinner was correct. The areas of Asia where wolf attacks occur on humans are the same areas where the people have no firearms or other effective means of predator control.
 
But ... "Biologists claim there are no documented cases of healthy wild wolves attacking humans."
 
What they really mean is there are no "documented" cases by their criteria which excludes historical accounts. Here's an example.
 
Rabid wolves were a frightening experience in the early years due to their size and the seriousness of being bit, especially before a vaccine was developed. The bitten subject usually died a slow, miserable death. There are numerous accounts of rabid wolves and their activities.  Early Army forts have medical records of rabid wolves coming into the posts and biting several people before being killed. Most of the people bitten died slow, horrible deaths.  Additionally, early historical writings relate personal accounts. This author recalls one historical account telling of a man being tied to a tree and left to die because of his violent behavior with rabies after being bitten by a wolf. Such deaths left profound impressions on eyewitnesses of those events.
 
Dr. David Mech, USFWS wolf biologist, states there are no "documented" cases of rabid wolves below the fifty seventh latitude north (near Whitehorse, Yukon Territory). When asked what "documented" meant, he stated, "The head of the wolf must be removed, sent to a lab for testing and found to be rabid."
 
Those requirements for documentation negate all historical records!
 
As with rabid wolves, the biologist can say, "There are no `documented' cases of wild healthy wolves attacking humans." In order to be "documented" these unreasonable criteria must be met:
 
1.      The wolf has to be killed, examined and found to be healthy.
 
2.      It must be proven that the wolf was never kept in captivity in its entire life.
 
3.      There must be eyewitnesses to the attack.
 
4.      The person must die from their wounds (bites are generally not considered attacks according to the biologists).
 
That is a "documented" attack.
 
Such criteria make it very difficult to document any historical account of a wolf attack on a human!
 
Biologists assume when a wolf attacks a human, that there must be something wrong with the wolf. It's either been in captivity or it's sick or whatever. They don't examine the evidence in an unbiased manner or use historical tests.
 
Historically, there are four reasons for wolf attacks on humans:
 
1.      Disease such as rabies.
 
2.      Extreme hunger.
 
3.      Familiarity/Disposition - This is an either/or situation.  Familiarity is the zoo setting, captive wolves, etc. Disposition is a particularly aggressive wolf which may not fear man as most wolves do.
 
4.      In the heat of the chase and kill - This is where a hiker, trapper or whoever disturbs a fresh chase and kill by wolves.  The person walks into the scene only to be attacked by the wolves.
 
It is our belief that a predator's fear of man is both instinctive and learned behavior. For example, wolves raised as pets or in zoos are well documented to attack and kill humans.
 
Alyshia Berzyck, of Minnesota, was attacked and killed by a wolf on a chain on June 3, 1989. The wolf tore up her kidney, liver and bit a hole through her aorta. One month later, on July 1, 1989, Peter Lemke, 5, lost 12 inches of his intestine and colon and suffered bites to his stomach, neck, legs, arms and back in another wolf attack in Kenyon, Minnesota. (Reports on file and available upon request.)
 
Zoos carry abundant records of wolf attacks on people, particularly children. The child climbs the enclosure fence to pet the "dog" and is attacked.
 
Zoos and domestic settings are unnatural in that they place man and wolf in close proximity and they become accustomed to each other. Consequently attacks occur.
 
Today predator control is very restricted in scope, and as a result, attacks on humans by predators are becoming more common. In recent years, healthy coyotes in Yellowstone Park have attacked humans. Similar attacks have occurred in the National Parks of Canada.
 
On January 14, 1991, a healthy mountain lion attacked and killed an eighteen-year-old high school senior, Scott Lancaster, in Idaho Springs, Colorado. The boy was jogging on a jogging path within the city limits of the town when the lion attacked and killed him. (Report on file at Abundant Wildlife Society of North America)
 
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #115 on: October 17, 2014, 03:00:52 PM »
Keep it civil guys.  This is a real problem that is effecting hunters everyone in the northwest.  Most of us are very passionate about the wolf topic (Pro or Against)....but we shouldn't be attacking each other with name calling. 

The only person that really knows what happened is the farmer that pulled the trigger.  I tend to believe that wolves have little value in our ecosystem and should be managed aggressively.  I don't begrudge the farmer for making the decision he did.  I also don't believe that this makes me any less of a hunter.  It darn sure does not make me a "Skumbag." 

I appreciate if people believe he was in the wrong....but try and put yourself in his shoes;  do you rally want a wolf around your house?  Would you tolerate it and if not what would you do about it?  Maybe run it off, maybe call the game dept. or maybe make a decision to protect your family, livestock and livelihood.  I wasn't there so I don't know what I would do.....but I can't guarantee I wouldn't have shot the wolf either.  Very situational and my guess is very stressful.  He made a decision and now he has to live with the consequences.  I personally hope he is exonerated....and this thing goes away. :twocents:  To think our government would value a wolf over the safety of a human, human's livelihood, or land is sickening. 


Well said! If we don't stop bickering all those west side yuppy hippy wolf loving liberals win :) I'm kidding. We as sportsman need to agree to disagree civilly on this wolf issue but come together as a group to protect our outdoor heritage. I for one would have little to live for if I was stripped of my ability to enjoy Gods creation and ultimate beauty. The situation as of late is terribly depressing and has me thinking about relocating to another state just to get away from this BS.
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #116 on: October 17, 2014, 03:07:01 PM »
Poachers = scumbags.  Pretty simple.  Those who want to defend poaching...go for it...just don't call yourselves hunters.  :twocents:

You know I fail to recall that hunters were asked for their opinions or vote on the forced reintroduction of wolves into our present ecosystem. I kinda think that if your shooting a wolf in Wa. today for whatever reason as like submitting a late ballot. Bang! Vote recorded.

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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #117 on: October 17, 2014, 03:20:57 PM »
Whats that song? I think its Hank Jr. "Why can't we all just get a long longneck"
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #118 on: October 17, 2014, 03:29:32 PM »
What a shocker that the pro-wolfers have already decided the verdict for this guy. I can't imagine being a farmer or a rancher and having to choose between my livelihood, unbalanced media attention, and attacks from wolf zealots.  :bash:
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Re: Wolf shot near Pullman!
« Reply #119 on: October 17, 2014, 03:40:03 PM »
Poachers = scumbags.  Pretty simple.  Those who want to defend poaching...go for it...just don't call yourselves hunters.  :twocents:

You know I fail to recall that hunters were asked for their opinions or vote on the forced reintroduction of wolves into our present ecosystem. I kinda think that if your shooting a wolf in Wa. today for whatever reason as like submitting a late ballot. Bang! Vote recorded.
Hunters are not the only members of public who own the wildlife in Washington state...and there was not a "forced reintroduction".  It is a natural expansion of a species that is increasing in population size.

Keep it civil guys.  This is a real problem that is effecting hunters everywher in the northwest.  Most of us are very passionate about the wolf topic (Pro or Against)....but we shouldn't be attacking each other with name calling. 

The only person that really knows what happened is the farmer that pulled the trigger.  I tend to believe that wolves have little value in our ecosystem and should be managed aggressively.  I don't begrudge the farmer for making the decision he did.  I also don't believe that this makes me any less of a hunter.  It darn sure does not make me a "Skumbag." 

I appreciate if people believe he was in the wrong....but try and put yourself in his shoes;  do you rally want a wolf around your house?  Would you tolerate it and if not what would you do about it?  Maybe run it off, maybe call the game dept. or maybe make a decision to protect your family, livestock and livelihood.  I wasn't there so I don't know what I would do.....but I can't guarantee I wouldn't have shot the wolf either.  Very situational and my guess is very stressful.  He made a decision and now he has to live with the consequences.  I personally hope he is exonerated....and this thing goes away. :twocents:  To think our government would value a wolf over the safety of a human, human's livelihood, or land is sickening. 
I stand by my statement that poachers are scumbags.  This guy has not been convicted of poaching.  If he is, then he is a scumbag.  If he was protecting his family or livestock...he did good.  If the reports that he saw a wolf and chased it several miles in a vehicle and shot it are true...he poached and he is a scumbag.  I have no idea what happened so I will wait to see the evidence that is presented like everyone else.  Folks can rationalize things however they want, blatant violations of wildlife laws (e.g., killing a protected species or shooting an elk out of season) should not be tolerated by anyone who calls themselves a hunter.  There are plenty of wildlife laws I disagree with in this state; and I believe I have sound justification for why they should be repealed...that does not entitle me (or others) to violate them.   
 
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