screwed again...

[littletoes]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/wac232/

The shooting ban on all WDF&W lands passed....

[smdave]

WAC 232-13-130 Firearms and target practicing. (1)(a) It
is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on
department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions
of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited
by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet
of a department designated campground. Violating this
subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a
substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another
person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell
casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris,
excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department
lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior
to departure from the area. Failure to remove any debris
constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs,
furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing
is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for
target practicing consistent with resource management or public
safety concerns.

[bearhunter59]

I didn't see where it was an out-right ban.  I see where they adopted regs on where you can not shoot or target practice....of course if you meant you can't take your tv or monitor out there and shoot it up and just leave it and all your spent shells all over the place anymore..Yes..that is now illegal...if it somehow already wasn't illegal.

WAC 232-13-130 Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove any debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.

And as far as I can tell, National Forest land is not DFW land....

[actionshooter]

WAC 232-13-130 Firearms and target practicing.

(2) The department may designate locations and times for
target practicing consistent with resource management or public
safety concerns.

The statement above leaves the door open for a total ban 

[WAcoyotehunter]

This ban wouldn't have happened if target shooters would have cleaned up all their crap- Like bearhunter said tv monitors and garbage.  I don't like seeing all the empties and targets left in the field.  Go to Coleman Canyon (kittitas) and take a look at the overturned camp trailer "target"...disgraceful! 
It's the same 1% problem we face everywhere.

[Dman]

 Most private timberland's have been "no target shooting" land's for year's, what the DFW did is actually playing catch up with other hunting land owner's. I do think it's a perfect example of why we need a State hunting protection Bill, so "changing times" won't dictate if we get to hunt or not, depending on if a nut-job takes the highest State post. I do think section two leaves the door open a bit wide for firearm's restrictions. I agree with the 500' campground buffer, that's common sense.

[smdave]

I visit other gun related websites and this change is not specific to WA, I here the same thing is going on in atleast NC and NY.

NC went even further "unauthorized use of a firearm on public game lands outside of hunting season" and "possession of a firearm larger than .22 cal and with a bbl length of above maximum length of 7.5" outside of hunting season". are in the new law.

In Wisconsin it is illegal to walk your unleashed dog "on DNR lands from April 15 through July 31"


We as hunters will always be blamed for the trash in the woods and it is wrong I have never thought about dumping my old washer dryer refridgerator tv couch car truck, we all know that this is not done by the hunters.

Dave

Dave

[littletoes]

smdave-you be being sarcastic, with all the bullet holes in all the signs, and garbage left in areas where elk camps were left, or fire circles in areas where open fires are not allowed, or hell, all the cigarette  butts left along ANY trail a smoker walks along (massive pet peve of mine!).

If everything you write is true, the writing is on the wall for those to see where gun ownership is going.

[smdave]

Not being sarcastic, I never said any thing about bullet holes in signs or trash out in the woods, I always say and you can ask anyone I have hunted with you carried it in take it out. an empty can or snack wrapper weighs less coming out then it did going in. and I do not nor have I ever shot a sign. I am a none smoker and hate when a butt is thrown anywhere not just in the woods.

I do not agree with the dumping of trash at the end of the road or shooting it up just because it is there, I take my targets with me and take them home.

But what needs to happen is crack down on the trash dumpers not the ones out for target practice. We as hunters target shooters, get blamed for that trash because we are the ones in the woods that people see.

You are right the writing is on the wall and we all better wake up and do what we can before we loose all our gun rights.

Dave

[ICEMAN]

But what needs to happen is crack down on the trash dumpers not the ones out for target practice. We as hunters target shooters, get blamed for that trash because we are the ones in the woods that people see. Dave 

I totally agree. Somehow more trash dumpers need to get busted. Maybe some good press where a target shooter turns in trash dumpers..... I have thought that maybe hunting organizations could hide some trail cams or video at popular trash dumping sites, get some plates, and let law enforcement do their work.

[smdave]

I totally agree. Somehow more trash dumpers need to get busted. Maybe some good press where a target shooter turns in trash dumpers..... I have thought that maybe hunting organizations could hide some trail cams or video at popular trash dumping sites, get some plates, and let law enforcement do their work.

I agree. I used to hunt up on Clearlake hill go up saturday then go up on sunday and there would be a different pile of garbage out in the woods, I really have a hard time believing that it is hunters doing it maybe I am wrong.

Dave

Dave

[littletoes]

Doggone it smdave, wasn't blaming YOU, I was making a point.

Quite a bit of the garbage we find in the woods IS from hunters, and target shooters. If we are to police anybody, we have to start with ourselves, and our felow shooters.

Its like poaching, its not anti-hunters that are poaching, its HUNTERS. Isn't that a great example??? Honest and to the point.

We have to first be able to say something to our own family members, our dads, our brothers, even our best friends. We have to at least be strong enough to let them know where we stand. Its a start, and maybe it will help.

Watcha think???

[smdave]

And they are good points,  ,

I do not agree with anyone leaving garbage in the woods. I think we are on the same page.

I just do not think any hunter says hey lets take this refridgerator into the woods and shoot it. the same with the car in the gravel pit upside down and burned, it is all stuff that is dumped there and then when some people go out to shoot they say hey why not shoot it.

Yes I agree that a larger percentage of hunters are probably the poachers, but this new WAC washington code is about the use of land for target shooting.
Dave

[littletoes]

In this area, for example, I find good and bad. Both hunters, and non-hunters.

You see, I've built two differant shooting ranges on state land. One I can get to 850 yards, the other I can only get to 500 (but am hoping to push it to 1200 yards). I've removed all the brush, kept it groomed, built the target stands, supplied the materials. Most that I come into contact with, I explain that I have no problem with anybody using it, just that they keep their garbage picked up.

But I've had the wood used for the target stands shot up, the fasteners (like fender washers, nuts/bolts, etc.) stolen (more than once, mind you), the steel targets that I wanted to leave (set up time kills me!), also stolen.

I've hauled loads of garbage off, like garbage, old milk jugs, bottles, ect. ect.

Its like an infection....when somebody comes to a gravel pit to shoot, and finds garbage there, they think its ok to just leave their own garbage on top.

Heres a crazy story. By one of my home-built ranges there is a small gravel pit, and inside it one day was a white jeep, a guy, and his girl friend.
They were setting up beer bottles, so I stop and ask him, "excuse me,...what are you doing.." he says hes setting them up for a bit of fun... I said "I see", I then explained to him that this area is state land, yes, and that deer regularly come through that area, and that they might get injured running through there. Then I asked if he was going to pick up the mess when done....he said yes. Now look, he had over 300 brown bottles, he must have known somebody who owned a bar or something...who knows, but I'll tell you what, I've never been dumb enough to believe he was going to get every single piece of glass out of there, hell, I didn't believe he was going to pick any of it up.
I drove up the road a bit, then called the sheriff who called me back and said the guy was gone, and no bottles in sight, nor broken glass.
Did I ruin that guys fun? You bet your ass I did, but if you want that kind of fun, set up at the dump where it doesn't matter. Not in the animals living room.

My point, that guy said he hunted that area.....doens't that just kill 'ya? 

[ICEMAN]

If you look at how much money the state pays for horse trails, motocross trails, hiking trails, bicycling trails, parking lots etc.... I have always argued that they need to spend an equal share of cash on putting in some designated shooting areas. Maybe a stell roof over some tables, long shooting lanes, post the area, concrete slab at all target sigts to make clean up easy...  Aint going to happen.

Besides, you build something like this, it will get burned, shot up and destroyed, plus, all the felons or anyone with a warrant will shoot elsewhere and just trash those areas.