Another muzzleloader newbee

[bobcat]

Ok, so are the #11 dynimit noble 1075 caps a musket cap or a percussion cap?  The Optima V2 was developed using musket caps, according to the CVA website.

That would be a percussion cap but musket caps are also percussion caps. There are #11 percussion caps (smaller) and there are musket percussion caps (larger).

I have a CVA Optima and they only use the musket caps. Look for the German ones that come in a red, round, plastic can.

[M_ray]

Ok, so are the #11 dynimit noble 1075 caps a musket cap or a percussion cap?  The Optima V2 was developed using musket caps, according to the CVA website.

That would be a percussion cap but musket caps are also percussion caps. There are #11 percussion caps (smaller) and there are musket percussion caps (larger).

I have a CVA Optima and they only use the musket caps. Look for the German ones that come in a red, round, plastic can.

So CVA doesn't offer a conversion kit for a #11?

[bobcat]

No, it's either 209's or musket caps.

[M_ray]

fzy, just so you get a better visual of what we are talking about here are the pics of the differences in percussion caps ... as you can see the there are musket caps with a slit in them and those that are not. Since it sounds like there is not a choice for you with the optima I would look for the musket caps without the slits on the sides! I have no idea why they even manufacture them and I don't know who in their right mind would use them but they do 

Here is a good look at the slits!

[M_ray]

here are the difference between the two ... I would choose from the examples on the right if I had only muskets to choose from.

[Sabotloader]

here are the difference between the two ... I would choose from the examples on the right if I had only muskets to choose from.

Now that you bring that picture up - there is an error in my labeling - thought I had fixed that lower right pic.  This is the way it should be:

[M_ray]

Hmm ok I found these pics on the net and I was under the impression the bottom right pic was a musket cap but I guess I was wrong. I didn't pay that close of attention, I never have used muskets really very much. So tell me is there anyone that offers a musket cap without the slits on the sides?

[bobcat]

The only kind of musket cap I've ever seen is the one on the left in the picture.

[Sabotloader]

Hmm ok I found these pics on the net and I was under the impression the bottom right pic was a musket cap but I guess I was wrong. I didn't pay that close of attention, I never have used muskets really very much. So tell me is there anyone that offers a musket cap without the slits on the sides?

Not that I know of... but I really do not keep up to date on Musket caps...

I have also read as late most Musket caps have been dialed back a bit and are being labeled for "reenactment".  Someone else would have to verify that.

[M_ray]

Well ok then sorry to the OP for any confusion I really don't keep up on musket caps either since I used them very little. So it looks like you only have the one choice in caps for your gun fzy so it's either the kind with straight sides or the kind with the flange.

[M_ray]

I've been getting a much dirtier barrel after switching to loose powder in my Traditions Vortek. I was able to shoot about 3 shots before swabbing the barrel when using 2 pyrodex pellets. Now after one shot with loose powder it's darn near impossible to load a sabot I really have to force it down the barrel. Could this be from all of the powder not burning?

I would say probably ... next time you go out to the woods try using the tarp in front where you are shooting and see if there is unburnt powder that is ejected out of your barrel. If you shoot at the range where that isnt an option try slowly scaling back your load say 98,96,94 ect... you might even find that your groups may get smaller too  It's basically just like load development with a cartridge ... it might shoot fine at 100grns just like it did with 2 pellets but it might group better with 94 and burn all your powder. 

[M_ray]

I have hunted muzzy for 14 years with pellets, loose, 11's and musket. With that being said I use pyrodex pellets and musket caps. With 11's I have had more powder not igniting than with musket. The key to all of if it keeping your caps and powder dry. Also I always shoot off the round before leaving the wood or unload the rifle. Never keep the powder in overnight as the temps change and the powder dampens. Good Luck and Welcome to muzzle loading

Lots of guys do this but I don't and never have ... I actually have so much confidence in one of my muzzy's I leave my charge in for the entire hunt! When I drew a late hunt in Oregon I left my load in the entire week and it rained for almost 2 straight days and yes I spent the better part of both days hiking around in it and mine still went off and I killed a nice buck. Now with that being said I would never say one way is better than the other but I would say it's more about what you are more comfortable with or whatever makes you confident. If you have more peace of mind shooting it and cleaning it everyday on a 2 week hunt then by all means do that. I just don't like to spend each night of my hunt cleaning my weapon.

If you choose to leave your charge in for the hunt there are those that believe you should leave your gun in the truck and don't bring it inside at night. The thinking is that the change in temperature will create moisture in the barrel  My way of thinking is simple ... if your gun is that temperamental that you can't leave a load in it or you have to worry about it going off??? Then sell it and buy a Thompson Center or Knight Bighorn! Cause I have never had to worry and most of the time I leave my charge in all season and it always fires 

[Sabotloader]

I have hunted muzzy for 14 years with pellets, loose, 11's and musket. With that being said I use pyrodex pellets and musket caps. With 11's I have had more powder not igniting than with musket. The key to all of if it keeping your caps and powder dry. Also I always shoot off the round before leaving the wood or unload the rifle. Never keep the powder in overnight as the temps change and the powder dampens. Good Luck and Welcome to muzzle loading

Lots of guys do this but I don't and never have ... I actually have so much confidence in one of my muzzy's I leave my charge in for the entire hunt! When I drew a late hunt in Oregon I left my load in the entire week and it rained for almost 2 straight days and yes I spent the better part of both days hiking around in it and mine still went off and I killed a nice buck. Now with that being said I would never say one way is better than the other but I would say it's more about what you are more comfortable with or whatever makes you confident. If you have more peace of mind shooting it and cleaning it everyday on a 2 week hunt then by all means do that. I just don't like to spend each night of my hunt cleaning my weapon.

If you choose to leave your charge in for the hunt there are those that believe you should leave your gun in the truck and don't bring it inside at night. The thinking is that the change in temperature will create moisture in the barrel  My way of thinking is simple ... if your gun is that temperamental that you can't leave a load in it or you have to worry about it going off??? Then sell it and buy a Thompson Center or Knight Bighorn! Cause I have never had to worry and most of the time I leave my charge in all season and it always fires 

I am with you - mine might stay loaded all season... but I would not recommend this until you really become proficient with BP subs and your rifle...

If in doubt get the load out!

[M_ray]

I have hunted muzzy for 14 years with pellets, loose, 11's and musket. With that being said I use pyrodex pellets and musket caps. With 11's I have had more powder not igniting than with musket. The key to all of if it keeping your caps and powder dry. Also I always shoot off the round before leaving the wood or unload the rifle. Never keep the powder in overnight as the temps change and the powder dampens. Good Luck and Welcome to muzzle loading

Lots of guys do this but I don't and never have ... I actually have so much confidence in one of my muzzy's I leave my charge in for the entire hunt! When I drew a late hunt in Oregon I left my load in the entire week and it rained for almost 2 straight days and yes I spent the better part of both days hiking around in it and mine still went off and I killed a nice buck. Now with that being said I would never say one way is better than the other but I would say it's more about what you are more comfortable with or whatever makes you confident. If you have more peace of mind shooting it and cleaning it everyday on a 2 week hunt then by all means do that. I just don't like to spend each night of my hunt cleaning my weapon.

If you choose to leave your charge in for the hunt there are those that believe you should leave your gun in the truck and don't bring it inside at night. The thinking is that the change in temperature will create moisture in the barrel  My way of thinking is simple ... if your gun is that temperamental that you can't leave a load in it or you have to worry about it going off??? Then sell it and buy a Thompson Center or Knight Bighorn! Cause I have never had to worry and most of the time I leave my charge in all season and it always fires 

I am with you - mine might stay loaded all season... but I would not recommend this until you really become proficient with BP subs and your rifle...

If in doubt get the load out!

Agreed ... very good advise 

[MD36]

I usef to leave the powder in but after missing out on the biggest buck I have seen with my own 2 eyes. I just unload. To each his own. Not saying one way is wrong just how I do it and nevr have had a mis fire since.

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