Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[Oh Mah]

cool but you didn't answer the question.

What is traditional about a muzzy?

How old does it have to be to be traditional?

If it was like it use to be when hunting traditional on the east side i might see it a little differently,but since i can't shoot less than 3 point seeing the extra point on a deer sure would be nice.can you see the 3rd point on a deer at 100 yards  75 yards  even 60 yards everytime?

[Jonathan_S]

How would looking through a non magnifying scope do that for you?

[Oh Mah]

it doesn't,I am advocating for full scopes just like the people that fought to be able to use sabots and inlines and etc

[Karl Blanchard]

I told you exactly what was traditional about a muzzleloader.  I'll say it again. 

Open sights
Ignition exposed to the elements
Single shot
Loaded from the muzzle

Just like great grand pappy

[Karl Blanchard]

If you are saying you want a scope so you can identify a legal animal I'd say you need a set of binos.  My BIGGEST switch flipper in the mountains are jack wagons scoping everything.  That is a lame argument.

[Pinetar]

cool but you didn't answer the question.

What is traditional about a muzzy?

How old does it have to be to be traditional?

If it was like it use to be when hunting traditional on the east side i might see it a little differently,but since i can't shoot less than 3 point seeing the extra point on a deer sure would be nice.can you see the 3rd point on a deer at 100 yards  75 yards  even 60 yards everytime?

Yep, that is what my binos are for

[Oh Mah]

I told you exactly what was traditional about a muzzleloader.  I'll say it again. 

Open sights
Ignition exposed to the elements
Single shot
Loaded from the muzzle

Just like great grand pappy

Not just like great grand pappy but ok.People in WA. fought for you to use that inline.Just like they are right now for the use of scopes on muzzy,hounds for cougar,baiting for bear,the ability to still have limited baiting for elk and deer,leg hold traps, etc etc etc.You don't want so everyone can't is not how we should fight these fights

[Oh Mah]

cool but you didn't answer the question.

What is traditional about a muzzy?

How old does it have to be to be traditional?

If it was like it use to be when hunting traditional on the east side i might see it a little differently,but since i can't shoot less than 3 point seeing the extra point on a deer sure would be nice.can you see the 3rd point on a deer at 100 yards  75 yards  even 60 yards everytime?

Yep, that is what my binos are for

you are not gonna say that you look through your binos put them down bring up your muzzy and shoot,No longer knowing if your on the exact same target you saw when looking through your binos are you?Are you hoping that there is only 1 deer in the area?are binos traditional?Are range finders?are sabots?

[Karl Blanchard]

I still haven't heard a valid, logical reason why we need scopes on muzzleloaders?

[Karl Blanchard]

cool but you didn't answer the question.

What is traditional about a muzzy?

How old does it have to be to be traditional?

If it was like it use to be when hunting traditional on the east side i might see it a little differently,but since i can't shoot less than 3 point seeing the extra point on a deer sure would be nice.can you see the 3rd point on a deer at 100 yards  75 yards  even 60 yards everytime?

Yep, that is what my binos are for

you are not gonna say that you look through your binos put them down bring up your muzzy and shoot,No longer knowing if your on the exact same target you saw when looking through your binos are you?Are you hoping that there is only 1 deer in the area?are binos traditional?Are range finders?are sabots?

  yeah we do.  It's really not difficult at all.  One thing I don't do is just point a scoped weapon at stuff I wanna look at.  That practice is pure *censored* and a great way to have an accident.

[BULLBLASTER]

cool but you didn't answer the question.

What is traditional about a muzzy?

How old does it have to be to be traditional?

If it was like it use to be when hunting traditional on the east side i might see it a little differently,but since i can't shoot less than 3 point seeing the extra point on a deer sure would be nice.can you see the 3rd point on a deer at 100 yards  75 yards  even 60 yards everytime?

Yep, that is what my binos are for

you are not gonna say that you look through your binos put them down bring up your muzzy and shoot,No longer knowing if your on the exact same target you saw when looking through your binos are you?Are you hoping that there is only 1 deer in the area?are binos traditional?Are range finders?are sabots?

yes that's exactly how you do it. Look in binos to be sure of legality and then shoot it with the muzzy. If there is any question on which animal you look again with your binos. It's really not that hard.

[JimmyHoffa]

I told you exactly what was traditional about a muzzleloader.  I'll say it again. 

Open sights
Ignition exposed to the elements
Single shot
Loaded from the muzzle

Just like great grand pappy

Not just like great grand pappy but ok.People in WA. fought for you to use that inline.Just like they are right now for the use of scopes on muzzy,hounds for cougar,baiting for bear,the ability to still have limited baiting for elk and deer,leg hold traps, etc etc etc.You don't want so everyone can't is not how we should fight these fights

I don't think anyone has a problem with any gear upgrades on muzzies being used in modern.  Use thermal sights and laser guided saboted-jacketed bullets for all I care; but don't expect me to think you need a special season(s) away from the bulk of hunters by trying to exploit a loophole so you can get two seasons--one being early and both combined to give you three times as many days in the field.

[Oh Mah]

I havn't heard one on why not!
Better shot even at closer ranges.We can scope a pistol,They are short range.
Better for determining the legality of the target.
Might bring more hunters into the sport.



If you could make a shot closer to a vital in any way wouldn't you want to?

[Pinetar]

cool but you didn't answer the question.

What is traditional about a muzzy?

How old does it have to be to be traditional?

If it was like it use to be when hunting traditional on the east side i might see it a little differently,but since i can't shoot less than 3 point seeing the extra point on a deer sure would be nice.can you see the 3rd point on a deer at 100 yards  75 yards  even 60 yards everytime?

Yep, that is what my binos are for

you are not gonna say that you look through your binos put them down bring up your muzzy and shoot,No longer knowing if your on the exact same target you saw when looking through your binos are you?Are you hoping that there is only 1 deer in the area?are binos traditional?Are range finders?are sabots?

Yep that is how I do it, even when I'm hunting with my scoped rifle. Never use the scope to look through until I know it is trigger time.

[Oh Mah]

cool but you didn't answer the question.

What is traditional about a muzzy?

How old does it have to be to be traditional?

If it was like it use to be when hunting traditional on the east side i might see it a little differently,but since i can't shoot less than 3 point seeing the extra point on a deer sure would be nice.can you see the 3rd point on a deer at 100 yards  75 yards  even 60 yards everytime?

Yep, that is what my binos are for

you are not gonna say that you look through your binos put them down bring up your muzzy and shoot,No longer knowing if your on the exact same target you saw when looking through your binos are you?Are you hoping that there is only 1 deer in the area?are binos traditional?Are range finders?are sabots?

  yeah we do.  It's really not difficult at all.  One thing I don't do is just point a scoped weapon at stuff I wanna look at.  That practice is pure *censored* and a great way to have an accident.

first looking through binos yes i do and hope every does.you dont scan with a scope