What will it take (a wolf thing)

[boneaddict]

Give it time Blanchard.   There’s a pack establishing in 340 and will no doubt move into 342 shortly.  I’m sure that will help contribute to the rest of all the bad decisions made by the WDFW

[hunterofelk]

Karl Blanchard is on the right track in my view. We all look for an easy answer and right now wolves are the hot topic. Don't like the thought of a pack being in my hunting area, but just like complaining about tribal hunting we ain't going to get nowhere unless Congress gets involved.  I think one thing we can do is slow down the loss of our wild areas.  Habitat loss due to our want for a home in the country.    I spend some time each year driving the Ellensburg Pass road and see new buildings and roads every year. Because of a need for a busy interstate highway, elk fences had to be erected.  Now consider the feed lots. Prefect breeding areas for ungulate illnesses. Look around the Twisp/Winthrop area.  How much private land has been developed in the last thirty years? I think it is going to take the setting aside of undeveloped land for wildlife.  Washington hunters will need to band with non-hunting groups to do this. 

[pianoman9701]

Department of Fun and Games hands are tied on this problem. This was the Feds big idea.  The best we can hope for is to get them delisted so the WDFW can open a hunting season on them to try and control the population.

Yes and no. Wyoming refused to kneel to the USFWS and ID's governor declared an emergency when specific herds were being decimated. Unfortunately, the DFW chose to be more aggressive with its plan than it needed to be, no doubt with a ton of pressure from the Governor, whose pockets are lined with animal nutcase money. This also resulted in an increased presence of nut jobs influencing Wildlife Commission selections and seats on the WAG. It's not that the DFW's hands were tied. It's that they were wide open and extended.

[Karl Blanchard]

Give it time Blanchard.   There’s a pack establishing in 340 and will no doubt move into 342 shortly.  I’m sure that will help contribute to the rest of all the bad decisions made by the WDFW

oh I have no misconceptions of the future of the wolf but right now (at least in yakima and kittitas) wolves are literally the bottom of the issues list.  Theres a giant hole in the bottom of the bucket and everyone is focusing on the pin hole in the side. 

Hunterofelk brought up the biggest elephant in the room 

[pianoman9701]

Well, to be fair, this thread is about the wolf problem. That's not to say there aren't other and bigger problems facing our wildlife. But it is one that could be mitigated with the right moves and realistic DFW and Governor's administrations.

[Karl Blanchard]

Well, to be fair, this thread is about the wolf problem. That's not to say there aren't other and bigger problems facing our wildlife. But it is one that could be mitigated with the right moves and realistic DFW and Governor's administrations.

fair point John.  I just get frustrated every time i see an animal just doing what God designed it to do being blamed for MANS mess.  I dont like competition for my deer and elk any more than the next guy but to wanna play God by eliminating a species from existence like some do is not an ok thing 

Fyi, I'm not insinuating that that is what Ross is implying just something that I see quite often on this forum. Sorry for the derail Ross!

[Naches Sportsman]

Give it time Blanchard.   There’s a pack establishing in 340 and will no doubt move into 342 shortly along with 346,352,356,364,368.  I’m sure that will help contribute to the rest of all the bad decisions made by the WDFW

Fixed your error for ya.

[KFhunter]

Well, to be fair, this thread is about the wolf problem. That's not to say there aren't other and bigger problems facing our wildlife. But it is one that could be mitigated with the right moves and realistic DFW and Governor's administrations.

fair point John.  I just get frustrated every time i see an animal just doing what God designed it to do being blamed for MANS mess. I dont like competition for my deer and elk any more than the next guy but to wanna play God by eliminating a species from existence like some do is not an ok thing 

Fyi, I'm not insinuating that that is what Ross is implying just something that I see quite often on this forum. Sorry for the derail Ross!

couple of holes in your argument regarding the bolded statement:

1) wolves were already here
2) MAN brought in the wrong wolves

[PlateauNDN]

I think people need to contact their senators to approve the delisting bill that the house passed. That would do wonders right now.






Cough cough

[KFhunter]

My congresswoman is doing well 


read this

https://mcmorris.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/CMRltrtoSecZinke.Wolves.Grizzilies.pdf

[Karl Blanchard]

Well, to be fair, this thread is about the wolf problem. That's not to say there aren't other and bigger problems facing our wildlife. But it is one that could be mitigated with the right moves and realistic DFW and Governor's administrations.

fair point John.  I just get frustrated every time i see an animal just doing what God designed it to do being blamed for MANS mess. I dont like competition for my deer and elk any more than the next guy but to wanna play God by eliminating a species from existence like some do is not an ok thing 

Fyi, I'm not insinuating that that is what Ross is implying just something that I see quite often on this forum. Sorry for the derail Ross!

couple of holes in your argument regarding the bolded statement:

1) wolves were already here
2) MAN brought in the wrong wolves

how are there holes in my statement? Loss of habitat and winter range combined with poaching, tribal hunting, and 6 months of white man killing are having far greater consequences for the deer and Elk populations in Yakima and Kittitas County then the few wolves that are around. 

Your above rebuttle just further proves my argument.  MAN screwed it all up.  The wolf is just being a wolf.  We go out and kill animals but then get pissed at predators for doing THE EXACT SAME THING.  Pot meat kettle 

[Karl Blanchard]

To the OP's point, I personally think the wdfw very much enjoy if we all just hung it up. Without having to be burdened by us hillbilly Hunters  they could allocate all their dollars to saving the whales and magpies.  I will continue to buy my licenses even though I have all that stopped hunting big game in this state. we as a group do need to get more engaged and show Forcing numbers at these meetings. I am as guilty as anyone for not attending these meetings but it's very hard to drive 3 hours after work one way on a Tuesday to attend.  Its frustrating

[KFhunter]

Well, to be fair, this thread is about the wolf problem. That's not to say there aren't other and bigger problems facing our wildlife. But it is one that could be mitigated with the right moves and realistic DFW and Governor's administrations.

fair point John.  I just get frustrated every time i see an animal just doing what God designed it to do being blamed for MANS mess. I dont like competition for my deer and elk any more than the next guy but to wanna play God by eliminating a species from existence like some do is not an ok thing 

Fyi, I'm not insinuating that that is what Ross is implying just something that I see quite often on this forum. Sorry for the derail Ross!

couple of holes in your argument regarding the bolded statement:

1) wolves were already here
2) MAN brought in the wrong wolves

how are there holes in my statement? Loss of habitat and winter range combined with poaching, tribal hunting, and 6 months of white man killing are having far greater consequences for the deer and Elk populations in Yakima and Kittitas County then the few wolves that are around. 

Your above rebuttle just further proves my argument.  MAN screwed it all up.  The wolf is just being a wolf.  We go out and kill animals but then get pissed at predators for doing THE EXACT SAME THING.  Pot meat kettle 

"regarding the bolded statement" 

I did not deny, nor provide rebuttal too, or about, any of your other statements and/or opinions. 

[Karl Blanchard]

The bolded statement was just that, a statement.    You then pointed out "holes in my argument." That statement was not an argument as you claimed.  Theirs no holes to be correct.  People blame wolves for things that they did not do.  Plain and simple.   I am far from a wolf lover but I will call a spade a spade when I see it.  For us to blame the wolf for everything and not take some responsibility for our own actions is irresponsible.  I'm not saying that is what you're doing here KF just for the record. It's more of a general statement to what I observe on this forum.

[Special T]

SSS isnt enough... You have to kill 50-70% of wolves in order to MAINTAIN pack size until game numbers drop to the point of equilibrium.

Are you involved in a sportsmens club? Do you belong to a Conservation Group? Do they have representation that petitions the state for hunters? Are they working with a coalition of other sportsmen IN THIS STATE?  All SCI Wa State Chapters, Inland Northwest Wildlife council, Kittitas feild and stream Club, Tacoma sportsmen club, Washington state Archery Association, Washington Waterfowl Association, Washington state Trappers association, some chapters of the MDF Are working together. Do you belong to one of these organizations? Do you belong to an organization that does not collaborate?

If your goal is to ride this to the bottom i guess you can sit on the side lines. If not you should at a min join and add your name to a group that petitions the state on sportsmen behalf.