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Costco has a high labor rate and they also treat their customers extremely well. My point was that the LS near me only wants to deal with people if they can be ripped off. Let's be honest, charging a rate over $400/hr for a tire changer is a ripoff. Being dishonest to make a sale is a ripoff.There is no way to justify dishonest behavior. If they wanted to charge $30 since I didn't buy the tires from them, I would have done it, but a $70 bait and switch by making up some lame excuse about $0.50 valve stems after I was quoted $16 is not honest. Be a man and tell me they don't want to mount internet tires, don't lie about valve stems. Don't lie about what needs replacing and don't hold people's vehicles hostage by refusing to put them back together and blame "federal regulations."I feel sorry for people that don't know much about vehicles and go in there trusting what they say.I had a semi-poor experience at Costco, but it was due to a green employee and the manager made it more than right and was honest about what happened and apologized. Same at Discount, they aren't 100% perfect, but I get honest answers. With LS, all I get is the opposite, complete dishonesty. People make mistakes, I don't expect perfection but I do expect to be treated with some level of professionalism and respect.
Quote from: Special T on August 12, 2019, 07:50:49 AMService isnt free and costs a company. How many of you have been to one of those used tire shops? I went into one looking for a used match to my now set of 3 on my heep. There are no "free" services. Everything costs $. They didnt check my brakes ball joints run out to greet me, or have coffee and popcorn in the waiting room. Free services is a loss leader to gain more business. If you dont like an outfits business by all means go elsewhere...Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using TapatalkI could not careless if they run out to greet me, could careless if they have popcorn.I am fully ready to pay for good quality service!What I won’t tolerate is lying and trying to continually rip-off your customers. Any business that uses a model built on ripping off their customers deserves all the bad press I can hurl their way, and certainly never get my business again.Les Schwab is a rip-off company that will never get my business again.
Service isnt free and costs a company. How many of you have been to one of those used tire shops? I went into one looking for a used match to my now set of 3 on my heep. There are no "free" services. Everything costs $. They didnt check my brakes ball joints run out to greet me, or have coffee and popcorn in the waiting room. Free services is a loss leader to gain more business. If you dont like an outfits business by all means go elsewhere...Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Quote from: Stein on August 12, 2019, 03:05:44 PMCostco has a high labor rate and they also treat their customers extremely well. My point was that the LS near me only wants to deal with people if they can be ripped off. Let's be honest, charging a rate over $400/hr for a tire changer is a ripoff. Being dishonest to make a sale is a ripoff.There is no way to justify dishonest behavior. If they wanted to charge $30 since I didn't buy the tires from them, I would have done it, but a $70 bait and switch by making up some lame excuse about $0.50 valve stems after I was quoted $16 is not honest. Be a man and tell me they don't want to mount internet tires, don't lie about valve stems. Don't lie about what needs replacing and don't hold people's vehicles hostage by refusing to put them back together and blame "federal regulations."I feel sorry for people that don't know much about vehicles and go in there trusting what they say.I had a semi-poor experience at Costco, but it was due to a green employee and the manager made it more than right and was honest about what happened and apologized. Same at Discount, they aren't 100% perfect, but I get honest answers. With LS, all I get is the opposite, complete dishonesty. People make mistakes, I don't expect perfection but I do expect to be treated with some level of professionalism and respect.The labor cost issue is what’s driving these companies to poor service. They are dying due to the internet and they see the cost of great customer service as a burden instead of a blessing. These managers are responsible for their respective revenue goals, and are hurting. It not only hurts the company, but their own wage as well. It’s terrible to see a once great company turn to these tactics for profits, although I doubt it’s company wide.Find a local service center and tell them what your expectations of service are. That’s what we’ve done. We have an awesome relationship because of it. Win Win.FWIW. Costco has a very small overhead burden, A totally different and unique business model from LS’s.
Schwabs is a shadow of its former self. I worked at Schwabs in the late 80's. It was always a race to get out and greet a customer. Cars where moved in and out at a fast pace. Flats and rotations rarely got charged whether the car had schwab tires or not, just to bring the customer back later when needing anything. Yes, the internet has changed the game, but to totally abandon the thing that got them where they are today is total BS. They are loosing customers to the internet partly because the service has gone to hell. Not uncommon to wait and hour or more just to get a flat fixed. Les is rolling around in his grave. This IS NOT what he planned when he envisioned the future.
Quote from: baker5150 on August 12, 2019, 08:15:21 PMQuote from: Stein on August 12, 2019, 03:05:44 PMCostco has a high labor rate and they also treat their customers extremely well. My point was that the LS near me only wants to deal with people if they can be ripped off. Let's be honest, charging a rate over $400/hr for a tire changer is a ripoff. Being dishonest to make a sale is a ripoff.There is no way to justify dishonest behavior. If they wanted to charge $30 since I didn't buy the tires from them, I would have done it, but a $70 bait and switch by making up some lame excuse about $0.50 valve stems after I was quoted $16 is not honest. Be a man and tell me they don't want to mount internet tires, don't lie about valve stems. Don't lie about what needs replacing and don't hold people's vehicles hostage by refusing to put them back together and blame "federal regulations."I feel sorry for people that don't know much about vehicles and go in there trusting what they say.I had a semi-poor experience at Costco, but it was due to a green employee and the manager made it more than right and was honest about what happened and apologized. Same at Discount, they aren't 100% perfect, but I get honest answers. With LS, all I get is the opposite, complete dishonesty. People make mistakes, I don't expect perfection but I do expect to be treated with some level of professionalism and respect.The labor cost issue is what’s driving these companies to poor service. They are dying due to the internet and they see the cost of great customer service as a burden instead of a blessing. These managers are responsible for their respective revenue goals, and are hurting. It not only hurts the company, but their own wage as well. It’s terrible to see a once great company turn to these tactics for profits, although I doubt it’s company wide.Find a local service center and tell them what your expectations of service are. That’s what we’ve done. We have an awesome relationship because of it. Win Win.FWIW. Costco has a very small overhead burden, A totally different and unique business model from LS’s.My wife worked at Costco for several years. She worked in the office for a while. The Costco tire shop is not meant to be a revenue generator. I was told it is a member service and if it breaks even they are happy.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Quote from: Special T on August 13, 2019, 09:40:36 AMQuote from: baker5150 on August 12, 2019, 08:15:21 PMQuote from: Stein on August 12, 2019, 03:05:44 PMCostco has a high labor rate and they also treat their customers extremely well. My point was that the LS near me only wants to deal with people if they can be ripped off. Let's be honest, charging a rate over $400/hr for a tire changer is a ripoff. Being dishonest to make a sale is a ripoff.There is no way to justify dishonest behavior. If they wanted to charge $30 since I didn't buy the tires from them, I would have done it, but a $70 bait and switch by making up some lame excuse about $0.50 valve stems after I was quoted $16 is not honest. Be a man and tell me they don't want to mount internet tires, don't lie about valve stems. Don't lie about what needs replacing and don't hold people's vehicles hostage by refusing to put them back together and blame "federal regulations."I feel sorry for people that don't know much about vehicles and go in there trusting what they say.I had a semi-poor experience at Costco, but it was due to a green employee and the manager made it more than right and was honest about what happened and apologized. Same at Discount, they aren't 100% perfect, but I get honest answers. With LS, all I get is the opposite, complete dishonesty. People make mistakes, I don't expect perfection but I do expect to be treated with some level of professionalism and respect.The labor cost issue is what’s driving these companies to poor service. They are dying due to the internet and they see the cost of great customer service as a burden instead of a blessing. These managers are responsible for their respective revenue goals, and are hurting. It not only hurts the company, but their own wage as well. It’s terrible to see a once great company turn to these tactics for profits, although I doubt it’s company wide.Find a local service center and tell them what your expectations of service are. That’s what we’ve done. We have an awesome relationship because of it. Win Win.FWIW. Costco has a very small overhead burden, A totally different and unique business model from LS’s.My wife worked at Costco for several years. She worked in the office for a while. The Costco tire shop is not meant to be a revenue generator. I was told it is a member service and if it breaks even they are happy.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using TapatalkI can totally believe that!I was in the new Costco here in OKC. They had BFG AT KOs for $188 each.Not sure how they can be profitable, but I may take advantage of that, lol
Curious to know what the high labor rate is at Costco. They only install tires and batteries right? What labor do they charge to mount and balance a set of 4 tires? Anybody?
Quote from: Alchase on August 13, 2019, 07:42:14 PMQuote from: Special T on August 13, 2019, 09:40:36 AMQuote from: baker5150 on August 12, 2019, 08:15:21 PMQuote from: Stein on August 12, 2019, 03:05:44 PMCostco has a high labor rate and they also treat their customers extremely well. My point was that the LS near me only wants to deal with people if they can be ripped off. Let's be honest, charging a rate over $400/hr for a tire changer is a ripoff. Being dishonest to make a sale is a ripoff.There is no way to justify dishonest behavior. If they wanted to charge $30 since I didn't buy the tires from them, I would have done it, but a $70 bait and switch by making up some lame excuse about $0.50 valve stems after I was quoted $16 is not honest. Be a man and tell me they don't want to mount internet tires, don't lie about valve stems. Don't lie about what needs replacing and don't hold people's vehicles hostage by refusing to put them back together and blame "federal regulations."I feel sorry for people that don't know much about vehicles and go in there trusting what they say.I had a semi-poor experience at Costco, but it was due to a green employee and the manager made it more than right and was honest about what happened and apologized. Same at Discount, they aren't 100% perfect, but I get honest answers. With LS, all I get is the opposite, complete dishonesty. People make mistakes, I don't expect perfection but I do expect to be treated with some level of professionalism and respect.The labor cost issue is what’s driving these companies to poor service. They are dying due to the internet and they see the cost of great customer service as a burden instead of a blessing. These managers are responsible for their respective revenue goals, and are hurting. It not only hurts the company, but their own wage as well. It’s terrible to see a once great company turn to these tactics for profits, although I doubt it’s company wide.Find a local service center and tell them what your expectations of service are. That’s what we’ve done. We have an awesome relationship because of it. Win Win.FWIW. Costco has a very small overhead burden, A totally different and unique business model from LS’s.My wife worked at Costco for several years. She worked in the office for a while. The Costco tire shop is not meant to be a revenue generator. I was told it is a member service and if it breaks even they are happy.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using TapatalkI can totally believe that!I was in the new Costco here in OKC. They had BFG AT KOs for $188 each.Not sure how they can be profitable, but I may take advantage of that, lolThey probably buy tires by the million and get a massive quantity discount. A lot of people don’t know Ford has a low tire price guarantee. Bring in an estimate from a brick and mortar tire store and we’ll beat it. That includes Costco. That doesn’t include Tire Rack or the like. I’d do those BFG’s for $187 a piece if you brought me something in writing.