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HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« on: December 17, 2019, 11:13:35 AM »
I am confused on this Bill that went into effect July, 1.  It looks like a person can still own/possess a firearm without a serial number or manufacture a firearm as long as there is no intent to sell?  But websites will not ship to Washington anymore. 

I am having trouble finding all the info on this one.

This is what i found online

Sec. 3. RCW 9.41.190 and 2018 c 7 s 3 are each amended to read
as follows:
 (1) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful
for any person to:

(a) Manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or  have in possession or under control, any machine gun, bump-fire stock, undetectable firearm, short-barreled shotgun, or shortbarreled rifle;

(b) Manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, bump-fire stock, undetectable firearm, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled  rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; ((or))
(c) Assemble or repair any machine gun, bump-fire stock, undetectable firearm, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or
(d) Manufacture an untraceable firearm with the intent to sell
the untraceable firearm
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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2019, 11:16:24 AM »
I hope you are right.

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2019, 11:34:47 AM »
But websites will not ship to Washington anymore. 

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Have you tried to order one, and they wouldn't sell to you? I wasn't aware that we couldn't mail order a 80% lower.

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2019, 11:43:01 AM »
Which websites have you tried? Pretty sure one of my neighbors ordered an 80% lower or two during Black Friday sales...

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2019, 11:46:55 AM »
I tried 80%lower.com
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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2019, 11:50:04 AM »
Unfortunately, the laws in your state prohibit us from shipping 80% receivers to its citizens/consumers. If you believe this is a violation of your 2nd Amendment rights as we do, please contact your local representatives.

This is what the site says.
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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2019, 11:55:38 AM »
I'll try a different site and see what happens
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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2019, 12:26:23 PM »
You are right,  you can still own and buy and build 80% lowers and non serialized firearms built buy you as long as you do not sell or give them away.  I just got two 80% .308 lowers shipped to me!

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2019, 12:27:44 PM »
Mine came from American made tactical.

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2019, 12:40:19 PM »
Midway won't ship them to WA anymore.  The following error occurs on checkout:
"These products cannot be included with your order due to the following:
Washington prohibits the sale and possession of non-serialized receivers. "

I heard Brownells will also not ship them however I have not tested that theory.


I also found that you get the following error on Midway when trying to order an AK47 parts kit:

"These products cannot be included with your order due to the following:
State law restricts the sale of parts kits to Washington Customers."

yet you can order an AR15 lower parts kit...

Sigh. 
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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2019, 12:52:25 PM »
Midway won't ship them to WA anymore.  The following error occurs on checkout:
"These products cannot be included with your order due to the following:
Washington prohibits the sale and possession of non-serialized receivers. "

I heard Brownells will also not ship them however I have not tested that theory.


I also found that you get the following error on Midway when trying to order an AK47 parts kit:

"These products cannot be included with your order due to the following:
State law restricts the sale of parts kits to Washington Customers."

yet you can order an AR15 lower parts kit...

Sigh.

That seems like BS. Wa law does not prohibit the possession of non-serialized firearms. It says you can't make a non-serialized firearm with the intent to sell it. An 80% lower is not a firearm per ATF, so what's the problem?   

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2019, 12:56:58 PM »
Agreed.

Perhaps they feel the increased liability of figuring out our messed up law and being sued for some grey portion of the law exceeds the profits from selling these items...

And why can you purchase an AR lower kit, but not an AK 47 kit (no receiver - 80% or otherwise - included in the kit).  This is a question I did not want to call and ask for fear they say "you are right!  we should not be selling AR15 kits either!"

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2019, 01:00:54 PM »
My guess is that either:

1.  They don't have the time or expertise to keep up on 50 different sets of firearm laws, and or
2.  They don't want to be sued when they sell a guy one, he builds it and sells, gives, looses or sells it to a bad guy.

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2019, 01:09:34 PM »
I agree, and that's what I was thinking too, I just didn't say it. I this was in Political Topics, I'd have something else to say.

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Re: HB 1739 regarding 80% lowers
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2019, 01:18:20 PM »
Agreed.

Perhaps they feel the increased liability of figuring out our messed up law and being sued for some grey portion of the law exceeds the profits from selling these items...

And why can you purchase an AR lower kit, but not an AK 47 kit (no receiver - 80% or otherwise - included in the kit).  This is a question I did not want to call and ask for fear they say "you are right!  we should not be selling AR15 kits either!"

AK receivers are just slightly more complicated than an AR lower because they require some light welding. if you look up the kits they are a flat piece of gauge steel with some holes drilled in it.
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