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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2020, 10:52:34 AM »
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.

She can ask for whatever she wants. Itís up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.

Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably wonít spare them tax and criminal liability.

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Re: New York against the NRA
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2020, 11:07:54 AM »
 NRA PRESIDENT RESPONDS TO NY AG:

"This was a baseless, premeditated attack on our organization and the Second Amendment freedoms it fights to defend. You could have set your watch by it: the investigation was going to reach its crescendo as we move into the 2020 election cycle. Itís a transparent attempt to score political points and attack the leading voice in opposition to the leftist agenda. This has been a power grab by a political opportunist Ė a desperate move that is part of a rank political vendetta.
Our members wonít be intimidated or bullied in their defense of political and constitutional freedom."

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As evidenced by the lawsuit filed by the NRA today against the NY AG, we not only will not shrink from this fight Ė we will confront it and prevail.

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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2020, 11:18:59 AM »
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.

She can ask for whatever she wants. Itís up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.

Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably wonít spare them tax and criminal liability.

You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time!  :twocents:
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Re: New York against the NRA
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2020, 11:20:45 AM »


As evidenced by the lawsuit filed by the NRA today against the NY AG, we not only will not shrink from this fight Ė we will confront it and prevail.

That will likely be decided by the BOD, who will have to decide if fighting Wayneís fight is worth the risk to the organization.


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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2020, 11:29:43 AM »
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.

She can ask for whatever she wants. Itís up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.

Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably wonít spare them tax and criminal liability.

You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time!  :twocents:

Well said! :tup:

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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2020, 11:44:19 AM »


You speak as though the accusations are truths?

Itís a matter of fact that these are criminal accusations against individuals, not apparently against the NRA

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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2020, 11:52:25 AM »


You speak as though the accusations are truths?

Itís a matter of fact that these are criminal accusations against individuals, not apparently against the NRA

That's some fancy use of words, LOL.
These are accusations, I have not seen any info confirming any of the accusations as facts!
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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2020, 12:20:51 PM »


You speak as though the accusations are truths?

Itís a matter of fact that these are criminal accusations against individuals, not apparently against the NRA

That's some fancy use of words, LOL.
These are accusations, I have not seen any info confirming any of the accusations as facts!

Thatís not what I said. I said that it is a fact that the accusations are against individuals. The NRA is not accused of any RICO type acts.

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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2020, 12:22:45 PM »


You speak as though the accusations are truths?

Itís a matter of fact that these are criminal accusations against individuals, not apparently against the NRA

That's some fancy use of words, LOL.
These are accusations, I have not seen any info confirming any of the accusations as facts!

Thatís not what I said. I said that it is a fact that the accusations are against individuals. The NRA is not accused of any RICO type acts.

OK, I see what you are saying now.
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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2020, 02:47:34 PM »
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.

She can ask for whatever she wants. Itís up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.

Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably wonít spare them tax and criminal liability.

You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time!  :twocents:

You're not suggesting there could possibly be a biased ulterior motive by the AG, are you?

"In June 2016, James attempted to pressure six financial institutions, including BB&T, Berkshire Bank, Citizens Financial Group, People's United Bank, Regions Financial Corporation and TD Bank, into ending its practice of providing financial services to gun manufacturers."

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Re: NRA- New York files charges against top leaders
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2020, 03:06:31 PM »
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.

She can ask for whatever she wants. Itís up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.

Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably wonít spare them tax and criminal liability.

You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time!  :twocents:

You're not suggesting there could possibly be a biased ulterior motive by the AG, are you?

"In June 2016, James attempted to pressure six financial institutions, including BB&T, Berkshire Bank, Citizens Financial Group, People's United Bank, Regions Financial Corporation and TD Bank, into ending its practice of providing financial services to gun manufacturers."


how surprising
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Re: New York against the NRA
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2020, 03:10:40 PM »
Bob33 of course she has a  biased ulterior motive. It does appear that some of the NRA folks provided the opportunity. Like others Im not sure this can get the NRA dissolved but it can hurt its reputation.  I both respect many aspects of what the NRA does, but also have some strong negative feelings about the organization. I will bet that her goal is to highlight the ugly parts I dislike to ruin the good things the NRA does.
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Re: New York against the NRA
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2020, 03:16:48 PM »
This is probably the stupidest filing of a political lawsuit on behalf of the NY AG during an election year. She should have waited either way until after Nov. 3. it would look much better for her base in Nov/Dec if Biden is elected to rip down some more gun toting fools with the NRA. See the defund movements are not working, backdoor antigun groups trying to disarm citizens by defunding police and now its full on to getting rid of one of the oldest 2A voice in America. 

This will only fuel the people to buy more guns for defense and protection, join the NRA and votes against Biden. It will likely backfire on them. Don't believe me go look at the gun shelves in Cabela's. My 2 cents.

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Re: New York against the NRA
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2020, 03:24:53 PM »
If the NRA leadership is screwing around and doing greedy, illegal and unethical stuff, I want them to be held accountable.
I am a patron member of the organization. I know what they have done to help us keep our 2A rights. Our gun laws would be like Canada or some of the European countries with out the NRA.



personal attacks have no place here.
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Re: New York against the NRA
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2020, 05:48:47 PM »
If the NRA leadership is screwing around and doing greedy, illegal and unethical stuff, I want them to be held accountable.
I am a patron member of the organization. I know what they have done to help us keep our 2A rights. Our gun laws would be like Canada or some of the European countries with out the NRA.

Maybe. Maybe not. Those other countries don't have the right to bare arms baked into their foundational documents.

When I was about 13, I wanted to get my first rifle. Neither of my parents were into hunting or firearms, but they weren't against it either so they gave me the condition that I had to take a firearms safety course first. So my buddy and I signed up and took the course at the Gig Harbor Sportsmen's Club. I believe the course was dual-sponsored by the club itself and the NRA.

I still look back fondly on that 2-day class. The classroom portion was a little like the food-handlers permit class that I'd bet at least half of us took at one point. You'd have to be dangerously stupid to fail it. But they grilled up burgers for everyone and introduced me to a world that I love to this day. I do believe that the NRA was the one who donated the ammo to the class, where I learned that I had a pretty decent talent at trap shooting.

But as the years went on, it seemed that the NRA was less and less interested in actual education and training, and WAY more interested in creating fear in their members that all our gun rights would be lost if we didn't send ONE MORE donation to the NRA. Like I mentioned up-thread, its the same model that the televangelists and the prosperity-gospel charlatans preach: Riches are SO close, just send ONE MORE donation of 40 dollars. If you don't, everything is lost.

Its been an obvious scam for years. I'm not even going to get into the Russians (spits on ground) funneling money through it. When guys like Hickok45, who have 5.5 million youtube subscribers walk away, that's a pretty clear sign. We're the ones with the most to lose. If anything, WE should be the one's calling for Wayne LaPierre's head on a stick.

Maybe the NRA can be salvaged, maybe it can't. But either way, there is a gap that will be left that needs to be filled.

Maybe we can do it.




 


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